Quest for the Holy Scroll

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ian_scho
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Re: Quest for the Holy Scroll

Post by ian_scho »

When they say "It doesn't mean anything" I do wonder if they meant "If you break the code it will have no significance because we didn't put the object(?) the solution refers to into the dungeon."
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Bit
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Re: Quest for the Holy Scroll

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Saying 'keyboard layout'... first question should be - if one would type random stuff - would he move his fingers that way?
Perhaps one day I put that scroll in the unscramble routine of DM ;)
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cowsmanaut
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Re: Quest for the Holy Scroll

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With the keyboard layout, I meant that in windows if you change to another keyboard layout, the keys you see before you are not the ones you will type. Example. English use QWERTY and french AZERTY so some letters may be the same while others differ. You can simply type and suddenly discover your words are unreadable. This happens at work because some of the hotkeys we press in the software kept activating it and it went to a quebec layout(french canadian).. and well there are a few times I ended up using Sandie's Azerty keyboard and I stumble on it because the keys are in a different location. Even with Qwerty US and Qwery UK the layout is different.
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Re: Quest for the Holy Scroll

Post by Gandalf »

Spoiler
WANDERER MANY SQUEAKS GRANT AN UNIQUE CORBUM I DO A NEW FINE ONYX KEY
GRYNIXERNUMQUEYKISKEBOWREDNIMUOSDEYWEFNAENOCARNAQUANTANA
WANDERERMANYSQUEAKSGRANTANUNIQUECORBUMIDOANEWFINEONYXKEY
So far it is possible to build some alternate anagrams in english but I doubt there is really any cypher scheme behind. Same for all secondary substitutions ala "Key of B" for U OS DEY that I tested... According to FTL&Wayne Holder background and after further readings like this pdf document - article on DM & CSB making process I guess the scroll was just an handmade anagram ... but even it can fit easily some rules. The message is too short to reveal anything behind letters frequencies and we can not exclude some hidden letters substitution if any.

I'm still looking for a possible pattern & a real fair solution for the scroll ... who knows ? Andy Jaros and Douglas Bell for sure :twisted: :wink:

Code: Select all

Reading Cipher
Exploring Cipher

Exploring Vowel Count 4 X 14
G R Y N I X E R N U M Q U E   Row  1:  5
Y K I S K E B O W R E D N I   Row  2:  5
M U O S D E Y W E F N A E N   Row  3:  6
O C A R N A Q U A N T A N A   Row  4:  7

Exploring Trigrams 4 X 14
G R Y N I X E R N U M Q U E   
Y K I S K E B O W R E D N I   
M U O S D E Y W E F N A E N   AND 
O C A R N A Q U A N T A N A   

Exploring Vowel Count 7 X 8
G R Y N I X E R   Row  1:  2
N U M Q U E Y K   Row  2:  3
I S K E B O W R   Row  3:  3
E D N I M U O S   Row  4:  4
D E Y W E F N A   Row  5:  3
E N O C A R N A   Row  6:  4
Q U A N T A N A   Row  7:  4

Exploring Trigrams 7 X 8
G R Y N I X E R   
N U M Q U E Y K   
I S K E B O W R   
E D N I M U O S   
D E Y W E F N A   AND 
E N O C A R N A   
Q U A N T A N A   

Exploring Vowel Count 8 X 7
G R Y N I X E   Row  1:  2
R N U M Q U E   Row  2:  3
Y K I S K E B   Row  3:  2
O W R E D N I   Row  4:  3
M U O S D E Y   Row  5:  3
W E F N A E N   Row  6:  3
O C A R N A Q   Row  7:  3
U A N T A N A   Row  8:  4

Exploring Trigrams 8 X 7
G R Y N I X E   
R N U M Q U E   
Y K I S K E B   
O W R E D N I   
M U O S D E Y   
W E F N A E N   
O C A R N A Q   
U A N T A N A   

Exploring Vowel Count 14 X 4
G R Y N   Row  1:  0
I X E R   Row  2:  2
N U M Q   Row  3:  1
U E Y K   Row  4:  2
I S K E   Row  5:  2
B O W R   Row  6:  1
E D N I   Row  7:  2
M U O S   Row  8:  2
D E Y W   Row  9:  1
E F N A   Row 10:  2
E N O C   Row 11:  2
A R N A   Row 12:  2
Q U A N   Row 13:  2
T A N A   Row 14:  2

Exploring Trigrams 14 X 4
G R Y N   
I X E R   
N U M Q   
U E Y K   
I S K E   
B O W R   
E D N I   
M U O S   
D E Y W   
E F N A   
E N O C   
A R N A   
Q U A N   
T A N A   

Rotating Ciper Clockwise

Exploring Transposed Vowel Count 14 X 4
O M Y G   Row  1:  1
C U K R   Row  2:  1
A O I Y   Row  3:  3
R S S N   Row  4:  0
N D K I   Row  5:  1
A E E X   Row  6:  3
Q Y B E   Row  7:  1
U W O R   Row  8:  2
A E W N   Row  9:  2
N F R U   Row 10:  1
T N E M   Row 11:  1
A A D Q   Row 12:  2
N E N U   Row 13:  2
A N I E   Row 14:  3

Exploring Transposed Trigrams 14 X 4
O M Y G   
C U K R   
A O I Y   
R S S N   
N D K I   
A E E X   
Q Y B E   
U W O R   
A E W N   
N F R U   
T N E M   
A A D Q   
N E N U   
A N I E   

Exploring Transposed Vowel Count 8 X 7
Q E D E I N G   Row  1:  3
U N E D S U R   Row  2:  3
A O Y N K M Y   Row  3:  2
N C W I E Q N   Row  4:  2
T A E M B U I   Row  5:  4
A R F U O E X   Row  6:  4
N N N O W Y E   Row  7:  2
A A A S R K R   Row  8:  3

Exploring Transposed Trigrams 8 X 7
Q E D E I N G   
U N E D S U R   
A O Y N K M Y   
N C W I E Q N   
T A E M B U I   
A R F U O E X   
N N N O W Y E   
A A A S R K R   

Exploring Transposed Vowel Count 7 X 8
U O W M O Y R G   Row  1:  3
A C E U W K N R   Row  2:  3
N A F O R I U Y   Row  3:  4
T R N S E S M N   Row  4:  1
A N A D D K Q I   Row  5:  3
N A E E N E U X   Row  6:  5
A Q N Y I B E E   Row  7:  4

Exploring Transposed Trigrams 7 X 8
U O W M O Y R G   
A C E U W K N R   
N A F O R I U Y   
T R N S E S M N   
A N A D D K Q I   AND 
N A E E N E U X   
A Q N Y I B E E   

Exploring Transposed Vowel Count 4 X 14
T Q A E E D M E B I U N I G   Row  1:  7
A U R N F E U D O S E U X R   Row  2:  7
N A N O N Y O N W K Y M E Y   Row  3:  4
A N A C A W S I R E K Q R N   Row  4:  5

Exploring Transposed Trigrams 4 X 14
T Q A E E D M E B I U N I G   AND 
A U R N F E U D O S E U X R   AND 
N A N O N Y O N W K Y M E Y   
A N A C A W S I R E K Q R N   
////////////////////
Message
N : 8 ... 14.3 %
E : 7 ... 12.5 %
A : 6 ... 10.7 %
R : 4 ... 7.1 %
U : 4 ... 7.1 %
O : 3 ... 5.4 %
Y : 3 ... 5.4 %
I : 3 ... 5.4 %
W : 2 ... 3.6 %
S : 2 ... 3.6 %
D : 2 ... 3.6 %
K : 2 ... 3.6 %
M : 2 ... 3.6 %
Q : 2 ... 3.6 %
X : 1 ... 1.8 %
F : 1 ... 1.8 %
G : 1 ... 1.8 %
C : 1 ... 1.8 %
T : 1 ... 1.8 %
B : 1 ... 1.8 %
V : 0 ... 0.0 %
J : 0 ... 0.0 %
L : 0 ... 0.0 %
H : 0 ... 0.0 %
P : 0 ... 0.0 %
Z : 0 ... 0.0 %

CBSWORDS
E.4357 (13.5%) =
T.3176 (9.8%) +
O.2734 (8.5%) +
A.2468 (7.6%) -
R.2112 (6.5%) =
N.2032 (6.3%) =
S.2014 (6.2%) -
H.1867 (5.8%) +++
I.1800 (5.6%) -
L.1590 (4.9%) =
D.1029 (3.2%) =
U.932 (2.9%) --
C.907 (2.8%) =
M.756 (2.3%) -
P.750 (2.3%) -
G.671 (2.1%) +
Y.645 (2%) +++
F.602 (1.9%) +
W.557 (1.7%) +++
B.531 (1.6%) +
K.338 (1%) +++
V.230 (0.7%) --
J.67 (0.2%) --
X.53 (0.2%) -
Z.47 (0.1%) --
Q.24 (0.1%) ---
////////////////
oracle database
////////////////
stats on 32289 letters :
Frequencies
THE.	890
HER.	247
ERE.	198
AND.	179
ING.	173
YOU.	164
THI.	144
NTH.	144
ETH.	143
OTH.	131
ALL.	130
ILL.	129
REA.	125
TTH.	123
TER.	114
ARE.	111
EAR.	110
STH.	105
HEP.	103
ONS.	101
ESS.	101
WIL.	101
CHA.	95
ENT.	94
RES.	93
HIS.	92
THA.	90
NOT.	89
ORT.	89
ONE.	88
STE.	86
SON.	85
ION.	82
NGT.	81
FOR.	79
FTH.	78
TOT.	78
EST.	78
RET.	78
ENO.	77
HES.	77
ORE.	75
KEY.	75
HED.	75
INT.	73
ETO.	70
DTH.	69
RTH.	69
URE.	68
ELE.	67
HIN.	65
etc 
//////
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etaoinshrdlucmwfygpbvkxjqz

NEAROUYIWSDKMQXFGCTBVJLHPZ
ETAOINSHRDLUCMWFYGPBVKXJQZ

e    t    a    o    i    n    s    h    r    d    l    u    c
12.7 9.1  8.2   7.5   7.0   6.7   6.3   6.1   6.0    4.3   4.0   2.8     2.8
m    w    f    y    g    p    b    v    k    x    j    q    z
2.4  2.4  2.2   2.0    2.0   1.9   1.5   1.0    0.8    0.2  0.2    0.1   0.1
////////////////////
Start Dec...

             Main Menu Options
           ------------------------
     0) AUTO Climb Tree, Playfair, Multi Column Chunk
     1) Display the cipher text by rows.
     2) Display the cipher text by columns.
     3) Count the total number of characters.
     4) Print possible rectangle sizes.
     5) Print vowel count by row.
     6) Print vowel count by column.
     7) Enter solving mode-Rows.
     8) Enter solving mode-Columns.
     9) Quit.

Enter a command --> 0

Step 1 : Playfair Churn Exchange

Hank's tetragraphs loaded....Starting analyse now
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nrok=8
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nrok=25
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nrok=45
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nrok=57
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nrok=97
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nrok=126
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nrok=131
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nrok=140
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nrok=157
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nrok=158
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nrok=163
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nrok=367
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nrok=378
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nrok=1007
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nrok=1057
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nrok=2222
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nrok=6384
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nrok=6520
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nrok=6526
bestscore=422 time=0   UTXMEDQCSNKWZHAGPVBROFLYI
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nrok=35258
bestscore=440 time=0   XZFNGWQDAUSCBRMOVYILKPTEH
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nrok=35318
bestscore=447 time=0   XZFNGWQHADSLBRMOVYICKPTEU
neheenpdneaniceinenthouawscdreausaysturototedlegainofimn

nrok=35501
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nrok=35533
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nrok=35753
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nrok=181631
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nrok=232322
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3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, nrok=8803024
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nrok=8803040
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9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, nrok=14291059
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15, 16, 17, 18, 19, nrok=19728188
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20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, nrok=73947394
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158, 159, 160, 161, 162, 163, 164, nrok=164715883
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165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175, 176, 177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 190, 191, 192, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200, 201, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 213, 214, 215, 216, 217, 218, 219, 220, 221, 222, 223, 224, 225, 226, 227, 228, 229, 230, 231, 232, 233, 234, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 240, 241, 242, 243, 244, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262, 263, 264, 265, 266, 267, 268, 269, 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 278, 279, 280, 281, 282, 283, 284, 285, 286, 287, 288, 289, 290, 291, 292, 293, 294, 295, 296, 297, 298, 299, 300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325, 326, 327, 328, 329, 330, 331, nrok=331341199
bestscore=542 time=0   BMTCYARWKUQLVZGSPFXDENOHI
rewberagreautheiresoutisferyhesiarethadeucialbriandhimul.....
////////////////////////////////////////////
Hank's tetragraphs loaded....Starting analyse now
length=56 Code : AN AT NA UQ AN RA CO NE AN FE WY ED SO UM IN DE RW OB EK SI KY EU QM UN RE XI NY RG
nrok=1
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nrok=5
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nrok=37
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nrok=40
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nrok=46
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nrok=58
bestscore=196 time=0   QHLFYTZWUGCIVBNDPRAESOXMK
ebdubetfebprisgnebyaglaeksfacbeavlmineocekagfsgbpaovgkew

nrok=63
bestscore=211 time=0   QHRFYTZWUGCIVBNDPLAESOXMK
ebdubetfebflisgnebyagraeksfacbeaxrmineocekagfsgbylovgkyw

nrok=75
bestscore=217 time=0   QHRUYTZWFGCIVBNDPLAESOXMK
ebdfberyebulisgnebgagraeksmacbeaxrmineocekayusybylovgkyw

nrok=92
bestscore=221 time=0   QHRUTYZWFGCIVBNDPLAESOXMK
ebeubertebulisgnebgazgaeksmacbeaxrmineocsgatustbtlovcgtw

nrok=96
bestscore=241 time=0   QHRUGYZWFTCIVBNDPLAESOXMK
ebefbergebulistnebtaztaeksmacbeaxrmineocstagusgbglovcthu

nrok=112
bestscore=265 time=0   QHRUGZYWFTCIVBNDPLAESOXMK
ebefbergebulistnebtayzaeksmacbeaxrmineocotagusgbglovithu

nrok=113
bestscore=279 time=0   QHRUGWYZFTCIVBNDPLAESOXMK
ebefbergebulistnebtatwaeksmacbeaqzmineocotagusgbglovithu

nrok=118
bestscore=285 time=0   QHRUGVYZFTCIWBNDPLAESOXMK
ebefbergebulistnebtaizaeksmacbeaxzmineocotagusgbglowithu

nrok=373
bestscore=289 time=0   QMRVHIWALEPCDZNYTKFOSGUXB
edwkdesredurntehedolitanbygrepnamanoaoyqtoabhqbdhaslpomu

nrok=595
bestscore=293 time=0   PLQKDZMVFSRENAIUWCYGBXTHO
nenhencpneingternemaucildgwzaelieuhoaldsharwlvcriroeaciu

nrok=601
bestscore=298 time=0   PLQKDZMVFSRENAIUWCYGBXTOH
nenoencpneinyternemaucilfhwzaelieuthaldsoarwlvcrirheaciu

nrok=616
bestscore=334 time=0   ULPKDQZVMFRENAISWCYGBXTOH
nenoenbuneinyterneziscilybkqaeliesthalgroarlfvprirheacis

nrok=639
bestscore=335 time=0   USPKDQZLVFRENAIMWCYGBXTOH
nenoenbuneinyternezimciskxbraesiemthasdeoarsurprirheacim

nrok=653
bestscore=339 time=0   USLKPQDZVFRENAIMWCYGBXTOH
nenoenbuneinyternedimcdskxbraesdemthaspeoarsurlrirheacim

nrok=1233
bestscore=341 time=0   SGNBDQLVZHAYEXOTKRCUMFIWP
esqasethesteuxivesiyfxondatprinocixdyrnmylorstrdevewgekn

nrok=1296
bestscore=347 time=0   DNSWLHBQVFOEAZYURTGKPIMXC
esqasethestepyibesbylzondatprinognehyrnmyforstrdebmpleut

nrok=1781
bestscore=353 time=0   XPBSRQWFUACKTOEDHVMNZYGLI
refeerfareireteareatphcnlusonencpatsocrlwhoaudamiarzhibi

nrok=1793
bestscore=354 time=0   XPBSRQWFUACKTOEDHVMNGYZLI
refeerfareireteareatphcnlusonencpatsocrlwhoaudamiarghixi

nrok=1794
bestscore=388 time=0   XPBSRQWFUACKTOEDHVMNLYZGI
refeerfareireteareatphcngusonencpatsocrgwhoaudamiarlhisi

nrok=3890
bestscore=390 time=0   SKMHFNLTUQEAIOVYDCRWXZBGP
elilletueldorisnelsvrwayhethetyacrigasmesdontftqyobeseor

nrok=3940
bestscore=391 time=0   SDMHKNLTUQEAIOVYFCRWXPBZG
elilletuelforisnelyarwashethetsacrizvsmeswontktqyobesewz

nrok=7786
bestscore=393 time=0   ZKGMTNRADEHXQVFSOBLYCIUWP
reegerbarenrisedreetpldayswgcraddisortoctoapvgcandroesak

nrok=7864
bestscore=404 time=0   KWVZTNRADEMGHQFSOBXYLIUPC
reeverphrenriyedreettodayslhlradwisontoltsachflandopeswr

nrok=9737
bestscore=406 time=0   TZVBRYGPIUWXQFONKLAECHMDS
lenbelpolebeswealeoaytaseupsyasatofrandungorplyesofgwtzu

nrok=13717
bestscore=409 time=0   GOPAEHQXTUCRBMYWKVFIZDLSN
essasethesmorginesiaicondatyyinockproinfirnetreiyouviuco

nrok=14721
bestscore=424 time=0   ZSQNRHULYGKIMTDVXCWFPABEO
eseiselsessofbeweswotnotralitstonfeaptauthayblysnoiuenor

nrok=31462
bestscore=427 time=0   NAMIEVZLQCKDXTSGYHURBPWFO
neidentineyeereineoiphascrhimesahofonstedgirligisotmagur

nrok=31463
bestscore=428 time=0   NAMIEVZLQCKDXTSWYHURBPGFO
neidentineyeereineoirwascrhimesaurfonstedwirliwisotmawho

nrok=31613
bestscore=430 time=0   NAHIELVZQCKDXTSMPFURWYBGO
neidentinepeereinerhowascrfrhesamogynstedwirlumisothawuo

nrok=84422
bestscore=448 time=0   QPHRDBYAEFCKSNZMGOWVTXUIL
esbusetheshesmereseagefrastowerfinmaynnuypaitcisirtukepw

nrok=100116
bestscore=451 time=0   EPYCINARQSKGHZXMFLBWOUVDT
nssusndansanedeonsmplicontofesocsldmonitheponboanystreah

nrok=130794
bestscore=456 time=0   HYWCPKLARZMOENIVBSXDGQFTU
rerfertgrealyneoresayhisbeginesiaclomadelhifgotiandnockt

nrok=190884
bestscore=467 time=0   VPZLNKHTYIFCXDRQGSUABWMOE
resiersareirdwearerbohorumsonerocemebiatitoasbaliartlica

nrok=191006
bestscore=469 time=0   BPZLNKVTYIHFXDRQGSUACWMOE
resiersareiremearerwovorumsonerofeclciatitoascaliartlifa

nrok=390115
bestscore=472 time=0   NKMRUXLZPVWTCGBSHQFDEOYAI
erogremderaftyesersaceisherkeusingitondemoincyrunavemeap

nrok=390169
bestscore=493 time=0   URMKNVPQTXBGLCWDFZHSIAYOE
eropremverafthesersaleishenreusingicondemoinmynknavemeap

nrok=390192
bestscore=504 time=0   NKMRUXTQPVWCLGBSHZFDEOYAI
eropremverafthesersaleisherkeusingicondemoinmyrunavemeap

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, nrok=16857137
bestscore=505 time=0   VKRLXBFTWGCYAPZHOEUMQDNIS
tetrethitentyheatetofpondmeundnolthforindfoesheinalsdaxt

17, 18, 19, nrok=19019270
bestscore=511 time=0   AISUETBQLNMGPCYZWFVOHDXKR
ethatesletheyveretosogirefacebridownuriarcustpelordsendy

20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, nrok=49500332
bestscore=514 time=0   NPRSIYOBLVQCZGHTKDXUEFAWM
eredretheradopeteremelatplhusitasayoftrstomthetinausensz

50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, nrok=61815627
bestscore=526 time=0   RHGBMEAUSINTWXDYQCZLOVFPK
ethateacetheyferetouncinepigednignpriousolialhewordsenmh

nrok=61815663
bestscore=527 time=0   RHCBMEAUSINTWXDYQGZLOVFPK
ethateagetherferetounginepicednicnpriousolialhewordsency

62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, nrok=81679411
bestscore=529 time=0   QWBHMPSLGFKAIYDCEOUTZRNVX
irderichiresteroirsthatalethloaterincaladicomhoveandvivs

...etc...
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length=56  factor=1.96429
AKANCOEOEREREYIDINIQMANDNENTNYNYOARARBSGSQUEUEUMUNWAWFXK
Hank's tetragraphs loaded....
noc=20 nor=3
nok=1  score=345
assembly order= 16 6 9 4 19 8 13 18 2 7 14 0 17 5 11 15 3 1 10 12 
report key= 12 18 9 17 4 14 2 10 6 3 19 15 20 7 11 16 1 13 8 5 
nmaueaanyowsfitqaaqryunerrneieagxnnukrmeonduebcndowskiye

nok=2  score=416
assembly order= 6 16 9 4 19 8 13 18 2 7 14 0 17 5 11 15 3 1 10 12 
report key= 12 18 9 17 4 14 1 10 6 3 19 15 20 7 11 16 2 13 8 5 
nmaueaanyowsfitqnaqryunerrkeieagxnnucrmeonduebandowskiye

nok=12  score=473
assembly order= 0 16 9 4 19 8 13 18 2 7 14 6 17 5 11 15 3 1 10 12 
report key= 1 18 9 17 4 14 12 10 6 3 19 15 20 7 11 16 2 13 8 5 
amaueannyowsfitqnaqrkunerryeieagxnnucrmeanduebondowskiye

nok=16  score=504
assembly order= 15 16 9 4 19 8 13 18 2 7 14 6 17 5 11 0 3 1 10 12 
report key= 16 18 9 17 4 14 12 10 6 3 19 15 20 7 11 1 2 13 8 5 
qmaueannyowsfitanaqruunerryeieagxnnkcrmeenduebondowskiya

nok=21  score=514
assembly order= 15 9 16 4 19 8 13 18 2 7 14 6 17 5 11 0 3 1 10 12 
report key= 16 18 9 17 4 14 12 10 6 2 19 15 20 7 11 1 3 13 8 5 
qmaueannynwsfitaeaqruunerryeicagxnnkormeenduebondowskiya

nok=39  score=520
assembly order= 15 11 4 16 19 8 13 18 9 2 7 6 17 5 14 0 3 1 10 12 
report key= 16 18 10 17 3 14 12 11 6 9 19 2 20 7 15 1 4 13 8 5 
qmnueantyawnfisaraqruueeoryninacxngkermeennueboyddwokisa

nok=45  score=526
assembly order= 15 11 2 16 19 8 13 18 9 4 7 6 17 5 14 0 3 1 10 12 
report key= 16 18 3 17 10 14 12 11 6 9 19 2 20 7 15 1 4 13 8 5 
qmeunantyawnfisaraqruuoeeryninacxngkermeeneunboyddwokisa

nok=49  score=577
assembly order= 15 11 5 16 19 8 13 18 9 4 7 2 17 6 14 0 3 1 10 12 
report key= 16 18 12 17 10 3 14 11 6 9 19 2 20 7 15 1 4 13 8 5 
qmnuneatyawnfisaraqruuyeeorninacxngkermeenounebyddwokisa

nok=59  score=644
assembly order= 15 11 5 18 16 8 13 19 9 4 7 2 17 6 14 0 3 1 10 12 
report key= 16 18 12 17 10 3 14 11 6 9 19 2 20 7 15 1 5 13 4 8 
qmnuneatyawnfisararquuyeeorninacxngkeremenounebyddwokisa

nok=158  score=654
assembly order= 15 11 5 18 16 8 3 19 10 4 7 14 17 6 2 0 13 1 9 12 
report key= 16 18 15 7 10 3 14 11 6 19 9 2 20 17 12 1 5 13 4 8 
qmsineatywanfunararquugneorniancxeykeremensinebydwdokuoa

nok=163  score=693
assembly order= 15 11 5 18 16 8 3 19 10 4 7 12 17 6 2 0 13 1 9 14 
report key= 16 18 15 7 10 3 14 11 6 19 9 2 12 17 20 1 5 13 4 8 
qmsineatywannufararquugneorniancyexkeremensinebydwdoouka

nok=342  score=699
assembly order= 14 7 5 18 16 8 3 19 6 4 13 11 17 10 2 0 12 1 9 15 
report key= 16 18 15 7 10 3 9 2 6 19 14 12 17 11 1 20 5 13 4 8 
qmsineanywanutafrarquugneonciaryenkxeremensinedodwbouyak

nok=345  score=736
assembly order= 14 7 5 18 16 8 3 19 6 4 15 11 17 10 2 0 12 1 9 13 
report key= 16 18 15 7 10 3 9 2 6 19 14 12 17 20 1 11 5 13 4 8 
qmsineanywanufatrarquugneonciaryexkneremensinedodwboukay

nok=524  score=740
assembly order= 14 7 16 5 18 8 3 19 6 1 15 11 17 10 2 0 12 4 9 13 
report key= 16 10 15 7 18 4 9 2 6 19 14 12 17 20 1 11 3 13 5 8 
qnsimeanywanufatearquegnurnciaryexknoremensinedodwboukay

nok=844  score=742
assembly order= 10 6 18 4 5 16 12 19 1 17 13 8 7 14 11 0 2 15 9 3 
report key= 16 9 17 20 4 5 2 13 12 19 1 15 7 11 14 18 6 10 3 8 
qaufernoywasinaminequnexrecanakgntrudeomedukeyorywasinbn

nok=923  score=752
assembly order= 10 6 18 4 5 16 12 1 19 17 13 3 7 14 11 0 2 15 9 8 
report key= 16 8 17 12 4 5 2 13 20 19 1 15 7 11 14 18 6 10 3 9 
qquyernofwasinaminenumenrecaxakgntrudeodeauyeyorkwasinbn

nok=997  score=764
assembly order= 10 6 3 4 18 16 12 1 19 17 13 5 7 14 11 0 2 15 9 8 
report key= 16 8 17 3 4 12 2 13 20 19 1 15 7 11 14 18 6 10 5 9 
qquerynofwasinaminenumeoencaxakgntrudeydeaueryorkwasinbn

nok=999  score=801
assembly order= 10 6 14 4 18 16 12 1 19 17 13 5 7 3 11 0 2 15 9 8 
report key= 16 8 17 14 4 12 2 13 20 19 1 15 7 11 3 18 6 10 5 9 
qquarynofwasineminenumerencaxakgntoudeydeaubryorkwasinen

nok=1523  score=817
assembly order= 11 6 9 4 18 16 5 1 19 12 13 17 7 3 14 0 2 10 15 8 
report key= 16 8 17 14 4 7 2 13 20 3 18 1 10 11 15 19 6 12 5 9 
qquarinofemantswinenumerencaxoukengadyydeaubriorkenanysw

nok=3322  score=825
assembly order= 3 6 9 16 4 18 11 1 12 5 19 17 7 15 0 13 14 10 2 8 
report key= 15 8 19 1 5 10 2 13 20 3 18 7 9 16 17 14 4 12 6 11 
sqwarenofeminquarningmakencaxounduereydysawaytorkenineub

nok=4929  score=836
assembly order= 8 17 13 5 16 10 1 3 9 7 12 18 19 15 2 0 4 6 14 11 
report key= 16 7 15 8 17 4 18 10 1 9 6 20 11 3 19 14 5 2 12 13 
qisquemeanyfnowarnyaungmerunkdixyearecoreisauentandknowb

nok=7856  score=848
assembly order= 12 19 14 2 13 18 4 0 5 6 8 10 3 9 16 7 17 1 11 15 
report key= 8 18 4 13 7 9 10 16 11 14 12 19 1 5 3 20 15 17 6 2 
qmerineunbywarofseinmurandneysoakeexqudcanerintungawayok

nok=8265  score=854
assembly order= 8 16 14 10 13 19 4 2 5 12 11 0 9 18 6 17 7 1 3 15 
report key= 12 18 8 19 7 9 15 17 1 13 4 11 10 5 3 20 2 16 14 6 
ymqwinguarenerofnubioumandsekaryneexcesdanawinquarentyok

nok=8436  score=864
assembly order= 8 16 14 10 1 19 4 0 13 12 5 2 9 18 6 17 7 11 3 15 
report key= 8 5 12 19 7 11 15 17 1 13 4 18 10 9 3 20 2 16 14 6 
qrywinguaremenofnubimeoanysekarundexcesdayawinquarentnok

nok=9113  score=870
assembly order= 8 16 14 2 13 19 4 0 5 12 9 10 3 18 6 17 7 11 1 15 
report key= 8 19 4 13 7 9 15 17 1 11 12 18 10 5 3 20 2 16 14 6 
qweringuanymerofnubimarandsekyouneexcesdawerinquanantyok

nok=9125  score=891
assembly order= 2 16 14 8 13 19 4 0 5 12 9 10 3 18 6 17 7 11 1 15 
report key= 8 19 1 13 7 9 15 17 4 11 12 18 10 5 3 20 2 16 14 6 
qwaringuenymerofnubimakandseryouneexcesdawarinquenantyok

nok=9285  score=899
assembly order= 2 16 14 8 3 19 4 0 5 12 9 10 18 13 6 17 7 11 1 15 
report key= 8 19 1 5 7 9 15 17 4 11 12 18 10 14 3 20 2 16 13 6 
qwaringuenymerofnurimakendseryounbexceadawayinquenantsok

nok=55374  score=901
assembly order= 17 12 3 10 2 6 13 4 18 5 7 19 1 15 8 9 16 11 0 14 
report key= 19 13 5 3 8 10 6 11 15 16 4 18 2 7 20 14 17 1 9 12 
waromeinguemanfreadyareeandyserunixbuknowayontinquencqks

nok=197369  score=903
assembly order= 11 3 9 12 7 4 15 2 19 8 18 0 17 6 13 14 16 1 10 5 
report key= 12 18 8 2 6 20 14 5 10 3 19 1 4 15 16 7 17 13 11 9 
ymandfrenewarguierynouncixbytoakesequaneandonksinewarqum

nok=197551  score=907
assembly order= 11 3 9 12 7 4 15 2 17 8 19 0 18 6 13 14 16 1 10 5 
report key= 12 18 8 2 6 20 14 5 10 3 19 1 4 15 16 7 17 9 13 11 
ymandfrenewarguienryouncixbytoakesequeanandonksinewarqum

nok=272567  score=913
assembly order= 18 12 5 10 4 13 14 11 17 3 19 0 8 9 15 1 16 2 7 6 
report key= 12 16 18 10 5 3 20 19 13 14 4 8 2 6 7 15 17 9 1 11 
numerofwaremaingedanyeuneexarbrandisunkyountyokwasenciqq

nok=272604  score=917
assembly order= 18 12 5 10 4 13 14 2 17 3 19 0 8 9 15 1 16 11 7 6 
report key= 12 16 8 10 5 3 20 19 13 14 4 18 2 6 7 15 17 9 1 11 
numerofwaremaingedanyeaneexarbrundisunkyountyokwasenciqq

nok=366723  score=929
assembly order= 6 17 16 14 3 10 11 1 12 5 7 8 4 19 13 0 18 9 2 15 
report key= 16 8 19 5 13 10 1 11 12 18 6 7 9 15 4 20 3 2 17 14 
uqwereanymyingofonebemarankyouindsexecusuawertanandinqrk

nok=614032  score=931
assembly order= 2 9 7 18 14 5 0 11 4 6 1 16 3 12 19 10 13 17 8 15 
report key= 7 11 1 13 9 6 10 3 19 2 16 8 14 17 5 20 12 18 4 15 
nyardinewnumberfoursinkandtoaceasuexaneqqyareinewoungmyk

nok=634341  score=938
assembly order= 2 9 16 4 8 13 14 11 17 12 0 18 7 5 15 10 19 3 6 1 
report key= 11 20 1 18 4 14 19 13 5 2 16 8 10 6 7 15 3 9 12 17 
nfamerwarnumeingedyeyxkurbareceandisonounkaneswayountiqq

nok=767538  score=940
assembly order= 10 16 13 9 19 2 4 0 5 12 1 7 11 6 17 15 18 8 3 14 
report key= 8 11 6 19 7 9 14 12 18 4 1 13 10 3 20 16 2 15 17 5 
qnywinbymeareofunsermyiandsourkanexecqueandwinganeartoku

nok=2530899  score=954
assembly order= 12 16 14 3 18 4 6 1 7 11 13 9 2 8 19 17 0 10 5 15 
report key= 17 8 13 4 6 19 7 9 14 12 18 10 1 11 3 20 2 16 5 15 
uqreywinbymeanofnursemariandsounkyexceequaredwingantanok

nok=2684420  score=958
assembly order= 4 16 17 14 8 13 10 1 11 3 5 6 2 12 19 18 0 7 9 15 
report key= 17 8 13 10 1 11 12 18 5 19 7 9 14 6 4 20 2 3 16 15 
uqreanymewinbyofnousemankyourandsiexceequartananewingdrk

nok=4449016  score=962
assembly order= 18 7 14 9 19 6 1 10 2 12 13 4 8 3 16 11 17 5 0 15 
report key= 19 7 9 14 12 18 6 2 13 4 8 16 10 11 3 20 15 17 1 5 
winbymyarequenofsearandsouinarmenyexqukewingandcreautnok

nok=19845139  score=974
assembly order= 3 16 17 14 13 7 9 0 10 2 4 5 1 18 11 19 12 6 8 15 
report key= 8 13 10 1 11 12 18 6 19 7 9 15 17 5 4 20 2 3 14 16 
qreanymywingueofnobumankyouiandserexceseartanandwinquerk

etc
//////////////////
VIGENERE HillHooper
Solved with
XHINMUEROODGEECHISLYSEGRIANINOFINECTEFOUVDYCEONARORDDARX etc...
/////////////////
Exploring Cipher

Exploring Vowel Count 4 X 14
W A N D E R E R M A N Y S Q   Row  1:  4
U E A K S G R A N T A N U N   Row  2:  6
I Q U E C O R B U M I D O A   Row  3:  8
N E W F I N E O N Y X K E Y   Row  4:  5

Exploring Trigrams 4 X 14
W A N D E R E R M A N Y S Q   AND 
U E A K S G R A N T A N U N   
I Q U E C O R B U M I D O A   
N E W F I N E O N Y X K E Y   

Exploring Vowel Count 7 X 8
W A N D E R E R   Row  1:  3
M A N Y S Q U E   Row  2:  3
A K S G R A N T   Row  3:  2
A N U N I Q U E   Row  4:  5
C O R B U M I D   Row  5:  3
O A N E W F I N   Row  6:  4
E O N Y X K E Y   Row  7:  3

Exploring Trigrams 7 X 8
W A N D E R E R   AND 
M A N Y S Q U E   
A K S G R A N T   
A N U N I Q U E   
C O R B U M I D   
O A N E W F I N   
E O N Y X K E Y   

Exploring Vowel Count 8 X 7
W A N D E R E   Row  1:  3
R M A N Y S Q   Row  2:  1
U E A K S G R   Row  3:  3
A N T A N U N   Row  4:  3
I Q U E C O R   Row  5:  4
B U M I D O A   Row  6:  4
N E W F I N E   Row  7:  3
O N Y X K E Y   Row  8:  2

Exploring Trigrams 8 X 7
W A N D E R E   AND 
R M A N Y S Q   
U E A K S G R   
A N T A N U N   
I Q U E C O R   
B U M I D O A   
N E W F I N E   
O N Y X K E Y   

Exploring Vowel Count 14 X 4
W A N D   Row  1:  1
E R E R   Row  2:  2
M A N Y   Row  3:  1
S Q U E   Row  4:  2
A K S G   Row  5:  1
R A N T   Row  6:  1
A N U N   Row  7:  2
I Q U E   Row  8:  3
C O R B   Row  9:  1
U M I D   Row 10:  2
O A N E   Row 11:  3
W F I N   Row 12:  1
E O N Y   Row 13:  2
X K E Y   Row 14:  1

Exploring Trigrams 14 X 4
W A N D   AND 
E R E R   
M A N Y   
S Q U E   
A K S G   
R A N T   
A N U N   
I Q U E   
C O R B   
U M I D   
O A N E   
W F I N   
E O N Y   
X K E Y   


Rotating Ciper Clockwise

Exploring Transposed Vowel Count 14 X 4
N I U W   Row  1:  2
E Q E A   Row  2:  3
W U A N   Row  3:  2
F E K D   Row  4:  1
I C S E   Row  5:  2
N O G R   Row  6:  1
E R R E   Row  7:  2
O B A R   Row  8:  2
N U N M   Row  9:  1
Y M T A   Row 10:  1
X I A N   Row 11:  2
K D N Y   Row 12:  0
E O U S   Row 13:  3
Y A N Q   Row 14:  1

Exploring Transposed Trigrams 14 X 4
N I U W   
E Q E A   
W U A N   
F E K D   
I C S E   
N O G R   
E R R E   
O B A R   
N U N M   
Y M T A   
X I A N   
K D N Y   
E O U S   
Y A N Q   

Exploring Transposed Vowel Count 8 X 7
E O C A A M W   Row  1:  4
O A O N K A A   Row  2:  5
N N R U S N N   Row  3:  1
Y E B N G Y D   Row  4:  1
X W U I R S E   Row  5:  3
K F M Q A Q R   Row  6:  1
E I I U N U E   Row  7:  6
Y N D E T E R   Row  8:  2

Exploring Transposed Trigrams 8 X 7
E O C A A M W   
O A O N K A A   
N N R U S N N   
Y E B N G Y D   
X W U I R S E   
K F M Q A Q R   
E I I U N U E   
Y N D E T E R   

Exploring Transposed Vowel Count 7 X 8
O N B I A U R W   Row  1:  4
N E U Q N E M A   Row  2:  4
Y W M U T A A N   Row  3:  3
X F I E A K N D   Row  4:  3
K I D C N S Y E   Row  5:  2
E N O O U G S R   Row  6:  4
Y E A R N R Q E   Row  7:  3

Exploring Transposed Trigrams 7 X 8
O N B I A U R W   
N E U Q N E M A   
Y W M U T A A N   
X F I E A K N D   AND 
K I D C N S Y E   
E N O O U G S R   
Y E A R N R Q E   

Exploring Transposed Vowel Count 4 X 14
X E W O U C I A R A S M E W   Row  1:  7
K O F A M O Q N A K Q A R A   Row  2:  6
E N I N I R U U N S U N E N   Row  3:  7
Y Y N E D B E N T G E Y R D   Row  4:  3

Exploring Transposed Trigrams 4 X 14
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had a moment today wondering if it was something similar to Lorum ipsum script. where random chunks are missing.. because doing a google search on a word for word basis rather than the whole turned up a number of results linking to names and some latin origins...

for example
JERNUM : name
AQUANTANA : name
QUEY: A heifer (male cow)
REDNZM :found in book "Diário do governo"
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I found something too. Grynix is a "pseudo-cat creature", (" whose temperament tends to match the owners. An obscure creature both in-setting and in published works, they tend to be drawn to psykers")
in Warhammer 40000. Chaos Strikes Back was released in 1989. The first edition of the game, Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader, was published in 1987.

We can imagine they were looking for ressources and even playing SF and D&D games ( Nancy Holder is the author of many novels and short stories. She wrote the prologues in the manuals of Sundog, Dungeon Master and Chaos Strikes Back ). In 1983's Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40,000 fictional universes, "Chaos refers to the often stereotypically malevolent entities which live in a parallel universe... Similarities exist between the Warhammer idea of Chaos and the concept of Chaos from Michael Moorcock's Elric saga".

If you look at the scroll as a lost message from the team behind the game, you can read weird things like : SKEBOWREDNIMUOSDEY <--> USE SWORD BEYOND MIKE (1) or even SKEBOWREDNIMUOSDEYWEFNADEYWEFNAENOCARN <--> MIKE (1) BOW SOUND DEFERS NEED WAYNE(2) FOR CAN (Slang To make a recording of)

( from the Encyplopedia )
1. Mike Newton ported Sundog to the Atart ST (with Doug Bell and Andy Jaros). He is credited in Sundog Atari ST for Ship, Sound and Special Effects. He is also credited as Second Unit Director and Program Designer for Dungeon Master and Chaos Strikes Back

2. Wayne Holder is credited as Producer for Sundog, Dungeon Master, Chaos Strikes Back and Dungeon Master II. The Dungeon Master Manual also credits him for the game's audio.
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I haven't followed this discussion for some time, and I have to confess that now I can't make head nor tail of the recent posts. The Gor Universe thing seems interesting, but it didn't bring us any further, did it?

*scratches his head*

Did you really find something, Gandalf, or is this partly a joke, or are you just guessing, or - is it so that just "another one bites the dust"?
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To paraphrase Obi Wan: These aren't the solutions you're looking for.
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How about this then?
I took the scroll and ran it thru MS Office Word's spellchecking and got the answar. It seems like the FTL team only spelled some words wrong..
The answer I got was:
Grey serum query kid’s skybox random u so defy will encores Quintana
Of course they got the sentence structure wrong too, but with some modifications:
The grey serum will ask the kid's skybox random numbers so that Quintana will defy the encore

Soooo.. Now we only need to find a kid, a skybox and something called Quintana so that it can defy the encore in csb and we can close this thread!

Any comments?
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:)
This is a nice idea though, when you know that Software Heaven (Wayne Holder's company, owner of the 'FTL Games' label) developed spell checking software long before DM & CSB were created.
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Rasmus wrote:Any comments?
No.
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@Christophe: Well maybe if we ran the scroll thru their spell checking software instead, then we could see what happened :D But I think about this like I have thought about the last posts this year.. Maybe alittle bit to far fetched ;)

@Jan: Why not? I made big effort in trying to make you smile alittle. Maybe a fake "haha"? ;)
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Ha ha! :)
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Now that "ha ha" came from the heart, you have alot to learn Jan :D
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Hey, don't tempt me to go off-topic again! :)
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True, back to the riddle..
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Rasmus wrote:True, back to the riddle..
Not really a riddle but most likely a
Spoiler
holy scroll ?
HA HA :lol:
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'Grynix' is clearly the title of this scroll,

we have to think about its meanining separately, and we should try to decode the rest of the sentence in some other way

Anagram is the best solution to catch the meaning of the holy scroll, we should separate a world or two when we are trying this because they are Names or something related to DM story,

for example aquantana, which could be a kingdom that those coins came from, we can try anagraming the text after isolating the titel and Aquantan just to see if we will come to a sentence that makes sense and has something to do with solving a puzzle using coins..

Food for thoughts..
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So what do others think ?!
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Magica wrote:So what do others think ?!
Not much since seven years !
Magica wrote:'Grynix' is clearly the title of this scroll
What ? No ! Grynix and all the others are clearly the Systems' names of the unreleased sequel to SunDog.
Can't Jernum has its place between Ferr and Krakorum ?
Rasmus wrote:Any comments?
I spellchecked it to this :
Greyness geranium queue key skibob redeem you as they wanna unicorn aquanaut.
That may be when Lord Chaos has nightmares.
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This thread has been quiet for a long time, then I will drop this :

Image

Now tell me about coincidence.
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A bit of a stretch I think... :-D
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Good idea, but I am not convinced yet because:
- Given enough letters (and there are plenty), you can create nearly any word, including nearly any name
- Why some letters would be used multiple times? (like the D of DENNIS / ANDY)
- Why some letters would never be used? (like Q, X, ...)
- Why include Bruce Webster who, as far as I know, had no role in the creation of DM/CSB ?
- Why include the last names of some team members (Newton & Jaros), and not the last names of others? (Holder, Bell, Walker --no L available-- and Webster)
- Why exclude other members of the FTL Games team ?
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(sorry for the late reply)
Anyway, we may still be searching some meaning from something that does not have any.
There, you said we may create nearly any name, but I can't even spell mine, nor yours, not even Paul. Then how is that possible to spell almost all FTL members at once ? ("almost" is why I would use a letter multiple times to make it work).
For Bruce, why not since there is "Zed Banville" coming from SunDogs in DM, I think it would fit as well.
For the "unused" letters, maybe they come from other words; I would say that they may have put words and their names processed and analysed by their spell checking tools and it generated a new sentence from it which is the message we see.
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The scroll will feature in my new dungeon - and its solution.
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