[RTC] Tower of Champions HINTS & HELP *SPOILERS*

[raixel]

Ok I feel like a complete and utter moron. I've been hammering around in this dungeon for a month and have only beaten the warrior's guild. I've read every single post in this thread 500 times, and still have questions.

I got the spellbook and 3 runes (2 power and FUL)
I found the teleporter

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to the head priest's chamber in the graveyard

but can't get in because I have no priest level.
I've solved the way to get into the mage's guild but get stuck right beyond that. Ive done Heironymus' house. Recommend not having him follow you so much. Various times when I

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went out to the well

or tried to enter house he wouldn't move away from doorway and I couldn't get in and had to reload.

So questions:

1 I can see the OH rune

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In the bushes in the weather shrine but cant get to it. Ive banged on every hedge in the area, tried burning with torches.

How do I get there?

2 I cant get to the priest teleporter but I dont know how to earn priest levels because I only have a FUL rune, and no way to get to water

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didnt find IR key in warriors, I read that priest's is easiest, but Ive ran all over inside of there and dont know where to get it? I drank the 2 water flasks for mummy door because I was desperatly thirsty. I know how to solve that one tho

Any help would be greatly appreciated. If any of these questions have already been answered concisely, sorry its a lot of posts to slog thru.

[lbk]

Alright, the OH rune is obtained

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by making it rain (I believe).

An IR key in the priest guild is

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hidden by a fake wall, try someplace that it would be painful to look.

Also, the ghost in the mages house

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can be scared by a war cry.

Hopefully those help you.

[raixel]

An IR key in the priest guild is

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hidden by a fake wall, try someplace that it would be painful to look.

Agh, I read a post earlier that said

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there was no point to that place, so I ignored it.

Also, the ghost in the mages house

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can be scared by a war cry.

Great, now I feel like a real idiot for not trying that...

Hopefully those help you.

It did, thanks

[raixel]

Um, so a crazy thing just happened, not sure if its a bug or what. After

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destroying the mage guild boiler and releasing all the annoying monsters I ran to the stairs back up to the fireball room

and started killing wasps by closing the door on them while attacking. A golem came up, and i figured aha. i'll kill him too by closing the door on him, but im not gonna hang around and watch, i'll go do the stairs hide trick. So he approaced, i shut the door, and turned so technically id be on the other floor, but the game just kept flicking back an forth between levels as if i was hitting turn left, turn right at blinding speed. I thught my key was jammed but it was fine. I was unable to move at all, tried clicking on the door button to make it go up, step back ect. Nothing worked. Eventually I think the golem died or backed away, because it stopped tweeking the door came down like normal and there was no golem there and control was restored. Never had this happen before and ive done various incarnations of the stair trick. Maybe its RTC?

[lbk]

I think it had to be a bug of some unknown sort, because I have seen someone use the stair trick at that exact spot to kill just about all of the golems.

[Adamski]

Never seen that bug, perhaps is a RTC problem.
Coming soon the 3.4 version!

[glecko]

what's in 3.4? anything new? I'll probably start the dungeon over as soon as I finish it anyways. Or Upside Down. Hmmm. Decisions. Did I say Thank you today? Thanks!

[Kid_A]

I need some help with the big circle riddle.
I don't know where I can find the riddle with

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the shield (the next riddle after the candles in the cellar)

.

Mmm 3.4
Can't wait ^^

[lbk]

@Kid-A:

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Try the warrior's guild, it the armory I believe.

[RobH]

What was the point of the candles in the

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cellar

? I tried putting candles on the

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pentagram

, nothing happened.

Also the room with the table full of

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food

. I left the

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food

alone, but never got anything to happen.

[lbk]

RobH: For the candles, if you read the scroll that gives you the hint

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it does not tell you to put the candles in the pentagram.

The other thing I think is the hardest puzzle in the game,

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the hint scroll tells you that you must not consume until it is painful.

[raixel]

Ok. I'm having a devil of a time (big surprise there)

Can someone point me in the right direction for the location of the

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bonsai cage?

and just a general hint about the location of the mage cguild key? I solved the

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boiler puzzle, IR rune, and got the stupid stone golem to stand on the green pad so I can get into the treasure room(Telefraggo spectaculoroso!)

But im at a loss to where to look for the guild key.

Also I got into

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the guild hall where everyone lies dead with all the teleporters and the pictures of the leaders on the wall by zoing the pits and running real fast in the mage guild

I though for sure that was where the clan key is, but it doesnt seem to be there. Is there any point to this room beyond a quick

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teleportation to other guilds

[glecko]

I am having difficulty getting anywhere on either pit level. I was going to try

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safe teleport

, but I do not know where to get the

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neta rune.

[RobH]

glecko: From the pit level second floor, there are

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some pits that drop only to the first floor pit level

. That is enough to get around until you find the

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grapple on the first floor of the pit level

. It looks like a

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rope

on the floor.

[RobH]

raixel: In the room full of scrolls was a

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barrier that can be dispelled

. You also need a key...

As for the guild hall, you can get there

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from each of the four guilds

. And you should try each one. I think you have to be

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craftsman level for that guild teleport

to work in either direction.

[Chanis]

Glecko: Once you done with Tower, try Conflux. But .. make sure you are finished with tower first. Conflux is HUGE and HARD.

[glecko]

huge and hard... Hmm sounds familiar... Hey honey!!! does huge and hard ring a bell??? What? oh yeah Tower 3.3

really, I am having a hard time finding how to get to the grapple. I cant even find it anymore. What could be huger and harder than Tower? .. Don't answer that!

[Adamski]

Glecko, Conflux is really huge and definitely harder than Tower of Champions. It is not linear and has many endings, I saw 2 of them. It's my favourite custom dungeon, but I'd like to try also Towers of Chaos when I'll have free time, I read it has very good riddles. By the way, to avoid confusion it's better to use the abbreviation "ToC" only for Towers of Chaos. When I created the title I didn't notice that the names were similar, maybe it was better the first title I tought, Tower of Heroes. Actually I didn't really like it.
Many players said that The Pits is the harder part of my game. I suggest to use the two maps you found. In that way you can understand the position of the pits and use them to move between both levels.

[glecko]

I have come to the conclusion that the pit level cannot be completed without the grapple. Please can someone help me with a strategy and locations?

[raixel]

Umm. I think I found a possible bug in the Priest's Guild. If Kohran's skeleton is killed by the first golem and then you res him, he goes upstairs and starts running around the Weather Shrine aimlessly. Even if you kill him up there and bring him back down, when ressed again, he takes off upstairs. As far as I'm able to tell, you can't stop him from doing this once he starts. I've tested it 5 times (letting him get killed by the golem, then ressing him) and he does it every single time. Standing or putting furniture in front of the stairs wont stop him he just stands there, as if theres an attractor on the other side of the stairs he wants to head for. Duno if he's supposed to do this but it'd really suck if your only save was after he'd been killed once.

[beowuuf]

The skeleton acts unpredicatably (though I guess predicatably unpredictably from a saved game). I had him go up the stairs a few times! I think you can war cry him, or similar method to get him away from that attractor and back onto one of the other ones.

Edit: If I remember correctly, the party is also a deterent, unlike furniture where he can just stick. Plus I think the seeds act as attractors too, don't they?

[raixel]

Is anyone interested in making a walkthrough for this game on the Wiki? I'm down to compile hints from this thread into a walkthrough format if there seems to be an interest in it.

Also, I appear to be stuck again (surprise!). I am in the theives guild (the last guild before I enter the tower!) I have just completed the lantern puzzle. At least I think I did, because

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the pits move around rapidly now

. I don't know where to go from here, there doesnt seem to be anything in this room, and going down the pits

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puts me in a prison. I killed the guy who didnt want to be tortured aymore, pressed the button, which nets me a lockpick and tankard.

I tried using

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the lockpick on everything in the room, including the gates, throwing darts out both gates, war crying at the gates, hitting the gates, walls and guys hanging on the wal/ceiling and hell I even tried to bang the tankard on the gates to get someone's attentiom.

Since going to the

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prison area is apunishment in all the other tests

id assume im not supposed to be down here. But I dont know what to do in the room above. I havent been able to find any hidden walls or buttons in the lantern puzzle room. Can someone point me in the right direction?

[glecko]

I have been unable to cast

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ya ew dain

. The

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safe teleport

spell takes me to the

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snack bar

. Still don't have the grapple.

[lbk]

raixel: If you fall down a hole, you can get out of the room. It is difficult to find though. As for the room with the moving pits, make sure to check all the walls, you may have missed something.

[Kid_A]

Glecko : check your PM

[raixel]

Thanks, lbk. Don't know how I missed that one.

[glecko]

I am having a devil of a time trying to overcome lord chaos.

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If I wait untill I am paralyzed and then blow the horn, it paralyzes both of us indefinitely.

I can cast unlimited spells on him, but with no apparent effect.

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If I just blow the horn I can keep him at bay

. The questions is, What does effect him. I have used every weapon and spell that I have, and it seems to have no effect. How do I kill this guy? Once again I am stuck when left to my own resources. I believe I have needed more hints per riddle (HPR) than anyone. Can anyone figure out my HPR rate? I thinks it must be about 3.75 hints per riddle.

[PaulH]

You found an item earlier in the game, with scrolls, which outlines a way of defeating him.

[glecko]

Paul, thanks very much for the help, but since the hint in question wasn't found yesterday, my advancing alzhiemers is preventing me from remembering the item. I looked back as far as my saves would take me , but to no avail. If you could please slip me a better hint, I would be forever greatful. So close, yet........etc.

[Adamski]

Glecko, that item is

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in the museum

, it is protected by a

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"magic shell" that can be destroyed only by ... Lord Chaos.