That's a pretty good article. I could always take some extra time to verify the data in it but I have no reason to believe that any of it's wrong, as I have read similar data from different sources.
Chaos-Shaman wrote:Climate shifts are irregular, there is no pattern to them Sophia, i don't know where you got the pattern idea. it can be 30 years, 50 years, a 1000 years, it's not clockwork.
Of course the
timing of a climate shift is irregular, and I know that was not what Sophia was referring to anyways. The
conditions leading up to a climate shift are very regular and predictable. It's as simple as if A happens it will cause B to happen. For example, CO2 is a gas that traps heat energy in the Earth's system, thus if you increase the amount of CO2 present in the environment it will cause a rise in temperatures, that is a 100% guarantee, assuming all other conditions remain stable. Of course, if at the same time energy received from the sun decreases then the 2 will counteract each other to some degree but again these interactions are measurable and predictable. There are exact mathematical formulas that take into account energy received from the sun, energy emitted by the Earth, and energy deflected away from the Earth, so all you need is the data, plug it into the equation and you will have a very good understanding of what will happen.
Chaos-Shaman wrote:now for that comment on possible snow here in southern Ontario for the middle of May, well, it's going to happen, they have snow for this Monday, and i have never seen snow in May, EVER. of course there has to be a CO2 story behind it somewhere
Not everything is just due to CO2. I think you are mixing up weather with climate, and while climate influences weather, they are both entirely different subjects. The weather is momentary environmental conditions like cloud cover, precipitation and temperature among other things, whereas climate is the long range trends and averages of these conditions. So you can have a climatic warming trend, yet have the temperatures briefly fluctuate downwards, such as overnight, or due to a cold mass of air moving in, yet have the overall trend of warming continue.
Chaos-Shaman wrote:a simple question. is everyone here 100% sure about the CO2 AGW story to be 100% true
100% true, maybe not, but I'd say, on the balance of probabilities, that it's true enough to convince me to take action to stop it from getting any worse.
Chaos-Shaman wrote:does everyone here think that there can be no other reason?
There are many reasons for climate changes, just read my earlier post where I got into that. What are the conditions present at this time? CO2 is rising more rapidly then nature alone can account for, it's at the highest levels it has been in in over 3 million years, and the rate of increase is rising rapidly. CO2 traps heat within Earth's system, thus causing a temperature rise. Energy output from the Sun has been decreasing over the past few decades, so this would cause a downward direction in Earth's temperatures as energy coming from the Sun drops. The Earth's magnetic field is slowly weakening, which would cause an increase in the Sun's energy entering the Earth's systems causing an upward pressure on temperatures, but this is a natural process that will take 1000's of years to complete so it is not a factor in the rapid climate shift that's going on right now. There are other factors as well, to be sure but they all pretty much follow the same trend, the natural factors are happening slowly, over a period of 100's or 1000's of years, or more, the human-caused factors are happening on a scale of years or decades.
Temperatures have rising by 2 degrees in the past 100 years, a rate of change the planet has never before seen by any naturally occurring phenomena short of a cataclysmic event such as a massive volcanic eruption or a massive space object impacting the planet (eg meteorite or comet), and those usually kick up debris that blocks the sun's energy, causing an abrupt drop in temperatures, usually only temporary. Eg, in 1991 when Mt Pinatubo erupted it caused a 0.5 degree drop in temperatures globally for about a year following the event. As the volcanic ash and dust gradually cleared and settled the temperatures returned to their per-eruption trends.
Chaos-Shaman wrote:what man is doing is what he is suppose to do, and we're just the same as any other animal,
I've never heard of a bear being able to move a mountain with heavy machinery, or a badger build a skyscraper, or a beaver chop down 1000 hectares of trees in a few months, or a bee burn fuels at the rate of millions of tons per year, humans can do all these things and more. We haven't even begun to realize our full potential in the things we can to to control our environment to suit our needs, things no animal will ever be able to do. This is an enormous power we humans have developed for ourselves over the millennia of our existence as a species and we had better stop making excuses and start finding ways of using this power for the betterment of all life on Earth and beyond for all our sakes. We even have the power to virtually destroy all life on Earth and make a sudden and massive climate shift dozens of times over (their called Nukes), so don't tell me we are merely powerless animals acting on pure instinct. We have evolved ourselves to the point where we can and must rise above all that, and most of us have, for the most part.
Chaos-Shaman wrote:i didn't expect this kind of reponses from the community. i wonder, being a skeptic of course, if this is nothig more than a play, one of how to gather the community together.
this sure has become quite the "hot" topic, hasn't it?
(sorry guys, I had to slip a little bit of the Unserious in there, the Serious was getting too much screen time for my liking)
Chaos-Shaman wrote:i care for people, i'd do just about anything to help others, but be damned if i am going to let fear and money control me to the point where i can't think outside the box.
I also care about others and like to help people out. I can respect your view on not letting fear and money control you. Just be careful not to go too far the other way either, to the point where you become controlled by trying not to be controlled by fear and money, and begin to be controlled by being afraid of being controlled by fear and money. It's all about finding your balance, and finding out what's true for you and holding to what's true for you even when others may try to attack you for it or make you wrong for doing so. As for me, I hold to my truths and realities and don't let anyone tell me what's true or what's real, I figure this out for myself though looking and examining things. If, in doing so, I find new info that shows me a truth or reality of mine was wrong, I'll make the necessary revisions to my truths and realities and carry on.
EDIT: wow, I didn't expect to get into such deep philosophy there, and right after that shot of the Unserious too, no less.