Conflux II Minimal Moves Competition

Post by **Gambit37** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 12:22 pm

@Beo: The couatl has the flask, so you have to kill it....

I considered the flask with the Couatl, but figured that it would take too long to kill, especially with weak characters.

Might give it a go though.... The flask I've been going for up to now is the one in the barracks, which one have you been doing Antman/Charlatan?

Charlatan75 · Post by **Charlatan75** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:29 pm

Hello!

Hmmm... the flask I get is also the one that is in the Barracks! ^^
By the way, I sent a new savegame for this flask this morning, in less than 150 moves this time

- Charlatan75 -

PicturesInTheDark · Post by **PicturesInTheDark** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:29 pm

Yes, Beowuuf, I'd very much like to see the logs. Can they be stored in a subfolder of the conflux-account under each contestant so they can be reviewed at will? If that does not take too much space, that is. Otherwise a download on regular basis (say a monthly .rar file) would be fine as well if there were a lot more to come, then they could be erased.

Regards, PitD

PicturesInTheDark · Post by **PicturesInTheDark** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:33 pm

And since I forgot to answer Zyx, one more - I'd keep logs from public for the time being if that was the opinion you were asking for. When the dust of the competition has settled (and hopefully that will still take quite a while since it's only up a month so far)) the best / most interesting of them could be posted as downloads. At the moment I'd feel they are giving too many clues for new players that have not yet entered the competitions.

Regards, PitD

Post by **Zyx** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:26 pm

Charlatan75 just broke his own record, lowering it from 160 to 147, "just to prove it was possible".

I think the quest is completed once you have the empty flask in hand or inventory.
As for the number of moves, we'll keep using the information displayed by CSBwin in zoom x1, after loading the savegame and before playing, as this ensures the same protocole for everyone.

Post by **Gambit37** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:40 pm

I've just sent off a flask game at 140 moves. I think this one really is unbeatable, maybe possibly by one move (if you keep the flask in the mouse pointer while selecting save rather than putting it in your hand though I don't think that would be fair).

Post by **Paul Stevens** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:44 pm

I posted LogCvt at dianneandpaul.net/CSBwin.
If you decide to share your logfiles you can use it
to 'Convert' your files and:
a) Make the logfiles smaller.
b) Make the logfiles MUCH more compressible using WinRAR or WinZip.

This is the form I have used to distribute the movies in the past.
RAR and ZIP cannot do much to the raw logfiles. The converted
logfiles cannot be edited but I can easily write a program
to un-convert them if necessary.

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 7:12 pm

Original non-competition entry for this: 21622
Next entry: 140

Gambit is back on the board with an impressive first minimal moves! And i thought 147 was good!

Charlatan75 · Post by **Charlatan75** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 11:02 pm

Hello!

Hmmm... well... I've just sent a new savegame for the flask, in 137 moves

- Charlatan75 -

Post by **Gambit37** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 11:25 pm

How on earth have you managed that!!!!

I will have to check this very carefully -- I can't see where you've made the savings.....

Antman · Post by **Antman** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 4:04 am

Flask in the barracks? where's the barracks? This is part of the reason i stopped going for it, but if i find out where this barracks is, maybe i'll try that. Before, i had been getting the flask in the captain's quarters on the council level, possible in about 160 moves if you can survive falling down pits with Lief, which means he has to take less than 36 damage.

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 8:40 am

the barracks/officers quarters are the same, or right beside each other..there's another sign around : )

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 9:03 am

charlatan took back the flask and shaved some time off of two records
impressive, and now i'm late for work, well, not laaaaaate, but i need to go. now.

ooh, more unread threads....

Antman · Post by **Antman** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 10:32 am

The same one? I must have been taking the long route, just like the rest of my records.
Charlatan, how come you haven't beaten the rest of my records?, i thought my flask record was far superior to them and you broke that with loads of moves to spare. I really should get round to making records of the future mahcine and the dragon armour, at least to start them off.

Charlatan75 · Post by **Charlatan75** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 12:03 pm

Hello Antman!

Hmmm... in fact that's because you said in another post that you give up for the moment... so, I decided to wait... ^^

- Charlatan75 -

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:52 am

Same contestant, but spanky new sub-1000 record
Antman just did the precious in 780 - congrats

Post by **Zyx** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 7:36 pm

Antman broke the Crown of kings record: 1821 moves!

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 9:31 pm

Whew...you know, there are only two quests now not in the three digits..and the lich is darn close to double digits!
this is most impressive...and now i've actually tried to do some of the 'easy' ones ratehr than just judge, i have a newfound respect for the patience and cunning in gettign these things!

Post by **Zyx** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:45 am

3 Counter records from Charlatan: the Trial, the dwarven treasure, and the Crown of kings!
In order to clarify things, we'll consider that surviving the trial is getting the certificate. (so I added 2 moves to your recod, Charlatan75)

Post by **Zyx** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 11:53 am

4 new records from Antman!
Antman made an impressive 2968 moves for the dragon armour!

Post by **Gambit37** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 12:08 pm

I'm still intrigued with the 137 moves for the flask! I must be msiing something obvious somewhere. And I have no idea how the lich vecna was done so quick, and I even have the benefit of my maps!

Post by **Zyx** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 12:31 pm

Did you notice that Antman managed a 136 moves for the flask?

Antman · Post by **Antman** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:46 pm

Is using the speed changes legal? I hope so because i used 'as quick as a bunny' to wait while that really annoying group of screamers move away from a door in my latest record. And it still took ages. I guess it doesnt matter because it moves based, but just checking.

Post by **Gambit37** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:51 pm

Ah, you've gievn me a clue on how you're doing it now.... rope swinging time!

Post by **Zyx** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:52 pm

No problem for me. What do the other judges think?

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 2:05 pm

God no, you are simply making sure you don't die of boredom before you make your next move : )

Post by **Zyx** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 4:37 pm

Things are tighting up. Antman matched the circus record, and won the lich record by two moves!

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Sun Feb 01, 2004 1:58 am

ooh, 101! so close to the double figures...

Antman · Post by **Antman** » Sun Feb 01, 2004 8:55 am

Double figures is possible for the Lich, but it involves falling down a pit, and surviving, and then waiting while his health recovers, then repeating this with 3 more pits. So, since Lief only has 36 health, I'd give him about a 25% chance of surving, and doing that 4 times in a row without saving is like 0.4% and you have to for AGES, even with 'as quick as a bunny' on, for his health to recover each time. And there's those mummies which constantly block the entrace to the Lich.
So i'd say about .2% probability all up, so it should take around 500 goes for a sucessful try, and at about 4 minutes average per go you end up with about 2000 minutes, and i can't be bothered and i doubt anyone else could.

Wow, that's alot of math, too much math. Anyway, I've been trying to get the destroy the council record, and i have gotten pretty close, i might be to beat it with a few more tries. And as for the Crown of Kings, the only way i can see to beat that is by using ghosts, and i'm sure thats cheating.

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Sun Feb 01, 2004 11:23 am

yeah, i noticed that the pit falling is luck with leif's heath : (

and lol, yes, quick as a bunny time, fine, ghosts, cheating : )
but hmm, i'm sure there are ways and ways...