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Maybe the scroll contains the universes only known hangover cure

I rather think it describes the difference between Atari and Amiga computers...

I was spoiled. I had both. And an Acorn Electron.

bleep!
Every item has an unique in game id. (the executioner, Platehelm, ect-)-
so all we have to do is to get the atari id (of the scroll), compare it to the relative amiga id and, look what colour the herring may have.Just kidding- and look what became of the scroll in the amiga version. This way, if done in the right fashion, we should be able to understand the ultimate meaning of it and then could pass this particular knowledge on to the next generation.

don't...waste...your...life....deciphering...this....


oh


quick, hide the translations and give it to the kids to work out..hehehehehe

In the "Favorite DM Character" topic on the DM board, PaulH said he knew what the scroll said. Was he drunk?

i think he was a big liar or joking
it came out of the earlier part of thread suggetsing it was vexirk language - so he was just refering to that

*purple1 knows too much*

Wait, you're not gonna kill me now, right?

we aren't going to do anything, nope, there are no Keepers of the Holy Secret here
you want three doors down...

My mistake. I thought I had the wrong office...

Now, let's see, Holy Handgrenades, 207, Holy Water, 208, ah! Holy Scroll, 209! WHAT! Out for lunch? Be back in... NEVER?

*whew, safe again*

Has anyone tried reading the text off the screen in a mirror? Try it from various angles if not, something might turn up.

If that doesnt work, I would bet this is a puzzle dreamed up by one of the makers wives, the one that writes Buffy episodes and various creative myth things. Can someone contact the makers and find out? I wouldnt want the truth to be lost with their passing as they are getting quite old now!

I'll post what the scroll means tomorrow.

@ PaulH : Welcome to the club!

(He knows too much...)

Darn, he's protected by a powerful penguin and...hellooooo Miss Green and Booted...how you doin'..... *drops knife and drools*

OK, here goes. It means the same as that wall text on level two that you have to put summat on a pressure pad to read.

"If you can read this scroll...you've...probably wasted the best parts of your life away..."

Hmm, it's obviously some sort of riddle...

It could be in Russian...

Если вы можете прочитать этот перечень, то вы расточительствовали вашу жизнь прочь

1f j00 <4¦\¦ 1234d 7¦-¦15 7¦-¦3¦\¦ 73¦-¦ 4¦\¦5\/\/312 15 '42'!!!111

Time to ressurect this thread again

After 2 years of thinking is there any solution of this mystety?

Maybe we should post this riddle in wikipedia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Strikes_Back

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grynix

"Jeżeli potrafisz przeczytać tą wiadomość... to prawdopodobnie straciłeś najlepsze lata swojego życia..." (?)

Herbata wrote:Time to ressurect this thread again

After 2 years of thinking is there any solution of this mystety?

Maybe we should post this riddle in wikipedia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Strikes_Back

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grynix

Done. Maybe some of the readers will be really clever.

I removed the "j" from "jernum" on the wiki.
The "j" only appears due to a bug in old versions of CSBwin

Yes, thanks, I had just pasted the first message of the thread without checking for it.

I doubt someone will give the solution, but who knows.

These 11 pages were the best reading in last month It's totally amazing how some aspects of both games are still on people's mind after 19 years. Holy crap! I say DM/CSB are the best made by the best.


Someone mentioned ex-FTL people coming to these boards from time to time... Anyone EVER was in contact with ANY of them? I mean, after so long time why wouldn't they accept for a small and short interview and hopefully answering some dozen times asked questions?

Yep, it's in hand. I have quite a lot of stuff coming soon, exactly as you describe.

Regulars here will scoff as I've been promising this for years. But rest assured, it *is* coming.....

Hehe looking at various posts and their dates here, I am sceptical 101%
You (and others) were using "soon" or "next day" way too much

The translation of this text, at least, the best translation that we will ever be able to manage with our current knowledge, is: "GOR Danger thus reveals its face."

My rationale follows:

In the chest where this scroll is found, there are three gor coins and a magnifier. Typically when a scroll and some items are found in chest together, they have some relation to each other, so I suspect the clue with the magnifier, coins, and scroll says, "look closely at a gor coin to make sense of this." Thus the puzzle was probably to be related to the gor coin pack-in. There is a sar coin in the game engine, but it's not used, and no sar coin was packed in-- maybe two coins would've been required for this to actually make sense.

It was explained that it was something that was taken out-- this makes sense, as the current gor coin can't solve anything, and there's no real puzzle in CSB that would be solved in this way. However, there are a few almost "throwaway" eye puzzles in CSB-- the powertowers (which is conveniently found along the same way as this one), proving you're a wizard, etc. They have popup messages that don't really fit the atmosphere of the game. I suspect these were originally to be part of this grander puzzle that never made it in.

So, to arrive at my "translation," all we can do is use the text that is on the gor coin we did get.

That's the best anyone's come up with. While I doubt that is the actual tranlsation, the rationale is good, so let's go with it!

I just stumbled across this on wikipedia, no clue where it's from:

Although the solutions to the games various puzzles are long since known, one riddle in particular seems to have remained unsolved so far. In some versions of the game (mainly the Atari ST one), there is a scroll on which the following words are written: Grynix ernum quey ki skebow rednim u os dey wefna enocarn aquantana. This scroll does not appear in most other versions of the game. The meaning of this scroll (if any) is not known.

In the Amiga version, this scroll has the magic map spell "Oh Gor Ku".

According to Bob Retelle who was a consultant for FTL and wrote hint books for both Dungeon Master and Chaos Strikes Back, this scroll is "Another red herring... this was left over from something that was going to be included in the game, but was left out at the last minute... don't worry about it, the scroll can't be decoded..."