Conflux II Minimal Moves Competition

Post by **Zyx** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:59 am

SUBQUESTS
Get an empty flask                           1 point
Meet lich Vecna                              1 point		
Kill the mothers of the egg chamber          1 point		
Get a cerberus                               1 point
Gain the precious                            1 point
Get the dwarven treasure                     1 point	
Survive the Trial                            2 points
Win the circus prize 99                      2 points
Get a FIERY cerberus                         2 points
Go to the future                             2 points
Obtain the whole dragon armor                6 points

MAIN QUESTS
Get the Crown of Kings                       10 points 	
Free the prisonner of the treator            10 points	
Destroy the council                          10 points	

TOTAL                                        50 points

Points are only given to the player who managed the quest with the lowest number of moves!

Note: The time and number of moves are shown
when you select a screensize of 1. (Dixit Paul stevens)

To prove you succeeded in a quest or subquest, send your savegame at:
ConfluxII@yahoo.com

The judges (PitD, Beowuuf, Christophe or Zyx) will calculate the scores and update them on the forum.

There is no need to complete all the quests with the same party.

Note: RECORDS SHOULD BE ACHIEVED ON VERSION 0.i!!!
(further versions are harder)

Post by **Zyx** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 3:18 pm

Records:

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QUEST                             MOVES
Get an empty flask                  136 (Antman)
Meet Lich Vecna                     93 (Charlatan75)
Kill mothers of the egg chamber     452 (Antman)
Get a cerberus                      458 (Charlatan75)
Gain the precious                   291 (Charlatan75)
Get the dwarven treasure            288 (Charlatan75)
Survive the Trial                   200 (Charlatan75)
Win the circus prize 99             150 (Charlatan75 & Antman)
Get a FIERY cerberus                505 (Gambit)
Go to the future                    407 (Charlatan75)
Obtain the whole dragon armor      2968 (Antman)
Get the Crown of Kings              900 (Charlatan75)
Free the traitor’s prisoner         666 (Charlatan75)
Destroy the council                 991 (Charlatan75)

Recordmen/recordwomen:

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Charlatan75            40 points
Antman                 10 points
Gambit                  2 points

Post by **Gambit37** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 3:22 pm

I'v just sent a record-breaking save to the team for verification -- beating Charlatan's "Meet Lich Vecna" by 30 moves: 255!

OK, so I only get one point for it, but I wanted to see if it was possible.

The 623 moves for the Dwarven treasure looks beatable, but it's probably very tight!

Post by **Zyx** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 4:22 pm

You did it! Impressive record, Gambit.

Post by **Gambit37** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:39 am

Wow! Charlatan! You are some kind of machine! That's very impressive, especially the Lich Vecna -- you must be really tight on every move to have got that so low!

I only tried the Lich Vecna one for a quick challenge. I'm not concetrating on minimal moves until I know the dungeon a little better.... but then watch your back, Charlatan, I intend to reclaim some of those titles!

PicturesInTheDark · Post by **PicturesInTheDark** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:38 am

Thanks Beo, I could not edit Zyx' entry. BTW, I hope some of the competitors keep log files I'd personally very much like to see some of the recordings!

Regards, PitD

Antman · Post by **Antman** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:11 pm

You should have said that earlier, i didnt save while getting to the lich or getting a flask and they only take about a minute. I will try and keep my recorded record attempts but i just deleted the last lot of 100 because if you dont CSBWin crashes, and i have mentioned this to Paul.S. I want to see someone getting the crown of kings just so i can see how to cast an open door spell, its driving me mad! I have tried about half the combinations of the symbols but have given up for the moment and i'm hoping it'l turn up in a scroll or something. Learnt a few nice spells like fireball though.

PicturesInTheDark · Post by **PicturesInTheDark** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:33 pm

No problem. It was decided against keeping logs for the competition because it would be too complicated if you started multiple times from the same save game or changed CSBwin.exe files - that would include a lot of manual work to make proper Playfiles.

I'm just curious and interested in the playing styles used in this extraordinary dungeon, so if some of you don't mind keeping one or two complete game files I'm sure a lot of people would be delighted to watch them including myself!

Regards, PitD

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:36 pm

The spell does exist...somewhere....

Not that you need it to get passed the indestructible one...

Post by **Gambit37** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:40 pm

I found the spell through experimenting -- clue: it's three runes and starts quite high.

I've only found one place where it was REQUIRED and that isn't The Immortal.

As for minimal moves, I've been examining my maps and I doubt it's possible to beat Antman's 174 for Lich Vecna. Well done, I'm very impressed! *Bows to the Master*

PicturesInTheDark · Post by **PicturesInTheDark** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:44 pm

When playtesting I think at 174 moves I was still in some corner shivering from what I'd seen was waiting for me... so you don't have to hide at all... your former records were pretty impressive already!

Regards, PitD

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 1:29 pm

Eh, i'm sure if you know your way perfectly and don't turn at all, you can sneak that score down a little...

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:36 am

Charlatan gave logs for lich and flask, incase you want to see it!

Post by **Gambit37** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:33 pm

Ooh, yes please, I wanna see how the super speedy Conflux Master does it!

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:07 pm

Lol, it was to pitd, i beleive, who commented on wantign to see the log files
I dunno if, like the timing trials, thje logs should be available for the comp so people can worship and get ideas on how to beat it....I'll let zyx decide on that...

Antman - I forgot you mentioning you had games with archmaster ninja levels...atm i assume that they had minimal bearing, unless someone else disagrees...or you say 'i took out everyone with punches as it was suddenly so easy compared to normal fighting'

Antman · Post by **Antman** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:21 pm

I did that Ninja trick before i knew it was banned, but I am not abusing it in any record attempts, thats why i didn't send in my first saves of the three main quests. I've got a log file of the Lich, but i am reluctant to release it unless someone really wants to see it. Anyway, too much Conflux, time for bed.

Post by **Gambit37** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:36 pm

No problem about logs! I'll see if I can beat that lich attempt, though it looks pretty tough. I had trouble doing it in 255 moves, let alone half that!

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 3:25 pm

antman: no problem, i assumed as much, and now realise why you haven't submitted more quests : )

Post by **Zyx** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 4:56 pm

Hmmm, the logs. I wouldn't like the first-time adventurers to have a look at them.
Maybe only people who already completed the given quest (wether breaking a record or not) should be allowed to watch the recordman's log.
But how would we ensure this rule is followed?

Also, now the records are quite tight (it's not anymore exploring and tumbling against walls) , I think we can now ask for a log as long as the player broke the record.
What do the other organizers think? (PitD, Beowuuf, Christophe)

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Mon Jan 26, 2004 6:22 pm

No opnion about logs : )

What I would say is that we should probably come up with a minimum for each quest...perhaps a cap, so that anyone falling under it merely gets a mention and and record points...
For later people, one or two of these much be quite daunting, and must be fairly close to a theoreticl maximum anyway
not sayign we shoudl do it yet...but maybe soemhtign to think about

Post by **Zyx** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:08 pm

I just watched some logs of Charlatan75's records. They're quite impressive. The choice of paths is very clever and he moves always in complete darkness!

Post by **Gambit37** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 12:09 am

Zyx, can you clarify exactly what constitutes 'getting' a flask. Does it have to be in your inventory, or is simply finding the tile it's on enough?

Additionally, do you subtract the six moves required to start the game and then save it? If not, I cannot see how Charlatan has done this in 160! The best I can manage with a perfect set of moves and a lot of luck is 172, and even with the six moves taken off it's still not enough. How on earth is it done?

Post by **Gambit37** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 12:31 am

I've checked the flask minimal moves quest using my maps and the quickest it is possible to do it with a perfect set of moves and no errors (and no monster encounters) is 166. So you must be subtracting those extra six moves.

Therefore, it's not possible to beat the 160 set by Charlatan. The best I can do is to try and tie. Would I still get a point for that?

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:27 am

the engine displays every move you have done since the pressing, try using the x 1 zoom to view the engine count - it may well display this. so you face the 'go save the city' guy after only three moves, not six
and yes, charlatan was confident he had done it to within a few moves, i recall from the mail - which was why i suggested starting to cap certan routes - without luck people probably couldn't start beating thigns liek the lich etc
we can always lower the cap later if someone does soemthign completely sneaky!

and yes, ties will be rewarded with the same points to everyone who holds the record, according to the ranking file and the wording of the contest

Post by **Gambit37** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:04 am

No, it's six moves, if you include the saving of the game once you've got the flask.

Press DUNGEON (1)
Press ENTER (1)
Step Forward (1)
Play perfect game for flask quest (160)
Access inventory (1)
Click Save icon (1)
Click Save and Quit (1)

That's what I meant....

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 8:21 am

Apologies

I tried minimal flask game, and i have new respect for everyone, man you need luck and need patience!
I need to view the logs of antman/charlatan to see how they did it...i have a theroy for it in around 150 - 155, which as you say would be scrapping the 160 with the extra stuff - it might be the way they did it

*obviously i can't submit it : ) *

Antman · Post by **Antman** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 10:25 am

I could get it faster than that, if i knew how to open a certain wall, it is open in my main game but i dont know how to open it in a new game. The wall is in the wine cellar to the left of the stairs down in that area with all the Sar wines, if i could open that wall quick enough......
As for time, you can easily get the flask in under 1 minute, and get to the Lich in around 20 seconds, all the main quests could be done in around 10 minutes i'm guessing.
And i also have a master plan for getting the crown of kings very quickly, and in minimal moves, maybe i'll give it a go....

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 10:49 am

It opens when you are tracking through the rest of the cellar, i beleive, so probably not helpful for your flask quest?

and wow on the 1 minute...i could get there if you don't include recovery time, i found a few pit jumps were good move-wise, but needed the game to be left idling for ages to recover health!

Antman · Post by **Antman** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 11:26 am

I guess i can reveal the flask plan, when you open that wall the is a monk staff there i believe, so you get that, ressurect a bunch of priests till you can open the final guild door which has a coastl behind it, this coatl has an anti-venom potion. But he would probably take too long to kill anyway.

I'm pretty sure you can do the Crown of Kings in under 1000 moves, comfortably in about 1500. I might try it in the weekend.

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 11:41 am

kill? the quest is for the flask...as long as you lure the bugger far enough away to save the game, its all good i would have thought...

crafty plan : )