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ADDF_Toxic · Post by **ADDF_Toxic** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:35 pm

Hey, where'd all the posts go? My post makes no sense now because the posts I'm refering to aren't there.

And I've read that about maybe 7 times, beowuuf, what does that mean? threat not thrat?

Post by **PaulH** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:35 pm

On my last consultation, I gave them a rocket up the arse and now they have decided to 'rush things through'. But still waiting for ANOTHER scan (may be delayed because all the radiologists are on holiday). This scan was ordered after looking back at one from TWO YEARS ago, thinking now I may have a pancreatic tumour as well! Speedy people...

ADDF_Toxic · Post by **ADDF_Toxic** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:38 pm

Eek! That can't be good.

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:42 pm

Seconded... sweet lord this is the most stupid thing I've heard. How much of this is from them waiting too?

And ADDF, are you sure you aren't just being confused by the change in page? The posts are still there

ADDF_Toxic · Post by **ADDF_Toxic** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:45 pm

I thought all that was after Zyx and Argentina. I think I might have missed a page while reading! Woops!

Post by **PaulH** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:46 pm

Its a mess no doubt. Right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. I suppose not as bad as the recent story of a person in the US who finally got her op for the same condition after a huge wait and they cut the wrong adrenal gland out. Ouch!

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:48 pm

Bloody hell, yes, hopefulyl that isn't as bad

ADDF_Toxic · Post by **ADDF_Toxic** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:49 pm

Ouch is right!

Post by **PaulH** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:51 pm

I have heard the same story with amputated limbs too! And an unfortunate case with a man and his crown jewels...

ADDF_Toxic · Post by **ADDF_Toxic** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:52 pm

EEK!!!

Trantor · Post by **Trantor** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:04 pm

Oh my goodness... I once worked in an institution for handicapped people (in Germany, you either have to do something like ths or go to the army for a year) and experienced quite some story there. The mother of one of the mentally handicapped people there had had a mentally handicapped child before who died at the age of 2. So, when she was pregnant again, she made a test whether her child would be handicapped as well. The doctors then confused her test with another one, so she carried out a mentally handicapped child while the other woman had an abortion with a healthy child...

I really hope your story won't drift away into the horror genre Paul. And all my best wishes to you Paul S and your wife!

Post by **PaulH** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:09 pm

There is a plan! If I can get pregnant, they are forced to solve the problem before I give birth!

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:11 pm

And just think of the press coverage!

Post by **Zyx** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:45 pm

I wish you the best for the knee of your wife, Paul Stevens.

Post by **Paul Stevens** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:32 pm

I wish you the best for the knee of your wife

Thanks. Examination and x-rays confirm the joint
itself is OK. Appears to be a ligament (not the famous ACL)
that will require a lot of time and therapy. But it will heal
without any surgery or such. But to be sure we are going
to see a specialist in Sports Medicine. Someone who has
seen a lot of knees. All-in-all not nice but endurable.

ADDF_Toxic · Post by **ADDF_Toxic** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:58 pm

I'm glad it will heal without any surgery.

Post by **cowsmanaut** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:21 pm

well, we don't have to pay or get turned away.. I mean we do pay into it every month, but it's not a pay per visit deal.

The benefit to the Doctor being paid regardless of what they do is that they are less inlcined to pick one practice over annother for money. Many of the american doctors are motivated by how much one process will bring them vs the other which may be better for the patient. The thing here is we trust doctors to a certain degree to know what they are talking about. So many of them get away with it.

When going to a GP (general practitioner) it's fairly easy to get in.. you make an appointment for that day and you go. It's the emerg rooms that are the pain in the arse.. you go in and it's sometimes first come first served. They don't always mark you down to go ahead unless they think it's life threatening. Toothache, or knife wound to the leg. if they've stopped the bleeding.. the toothache will go first because they came in first..

When working in ER, I guess you have a lot of complainers.. so sometimes people with serious issues.. like an exploding appendix who come in with a terrible pain in their gut. They get told to wait. Really they should be rushed to xrays and be prepped for surgery right after.. This has happened a few times.

With a system where you can just walk in off the street and see a doctor.. you get people who abuse the system and they make it worse for those with the real issues. I know this so I don't go to the doctors often.. not unless it's serious.

Anyway.. that all said. Paul sounds like you have a good doctor. Didn't suggest surgery.. which would have made him more money. I've been told by canadian doctors and people who have had knee surgery.. that in something like 40% of cases it can get worse.. not better. Had a friend who had to have it 3 times.. his knee would randomly pop out of socket in certain positions.. I've had to pop it back in for him.. kinda gross but he had to have it in... and that was just him relaxing.. and .. plop.. there it goes.. gah!

but that's an extreeme case.

I wish her a speedy recovery! and to you mr H.. keep on them about it.. don't settle.. you could wake up in the OR with a sex change..

moo

Post by **PaulH** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:15 pm

If I may just add a small point about surgery here in the UK: on our National Health Service I have twice had operations cancelled to remove a tumour due to the surgeon changing his mind at a later date, saying he does not want to operate incase the scan was a 'false positive'. However if I went private and pay them lots of money, they would operate within weeks on the same evidence. Suddenly all the scans fit.

Post by **Paul Stevens** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:50 pm

I have been really quite interested in how well things work
in places like Canada or the UK. What one gets here is
glowing reports from people who want to nationalize
Health Care ( 'Glorius' 'Wonderful' 'Outstanding free
care for everyone') or the opposite from detractors ('People
die waiting in line'). So the truth is impossible to determine
without starting a graduate-level research project.

I belong to an HMO ( Health Maintenace Organization), a private
health care company. The doctors are salaried and have no interest
in doing anything extra. They are, in fact, rather pressured into
doing as little as possible by the management. I can choose
one of several different such HMOs. They have different
prices, different services, but all have to meet a certain minimum
level of services to legally compete for my business.

I think (I certainly do not know) the main differences
between 'my' system and yours are:

1) I can choose between competing services. (or none. Go private)
Going private costs a great deal more.
2) It costs me a lot. Many people cannot afford it and do
without any pre-paid care. They pray they stay well.
Prayer seems not too efficacious.
3) Doctors themselves can choose among HMOs or serve privately.
Most doctors will not submit to unreasonable restraints and
can switch companies if the going gets too rough.