Do caracteristics still progress after being an archmaster?

Optis · Post by **Optis** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:16 am

My champion is an archmaster wizard
If i still train him at fire balls for exemple does my mana competence will progress again or stop ?

Trantor · Post by **Trantor** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:16 pm

You can still gain a few points of wisdom and mana if you train your character as a Priest. If you are both Archmaster Priest and Wizard, then your champion won't improve anymore, no matter how many spells you cast.

zoom · Post by **zoom** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:03 pm

I think some of the hidden skills will improve (in theory under certain circumstances.. )

Optis · Post by **Optis** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:00 am

ok

-so, if my skills are at maximum (archmaster everywhere) my champion won't improve anymore? so my mana will never be at 999?

-Is there a way (without cheats) for my champion to get 999/999 in all skills?

(the 15 days during which i have throwed fire balls on my wall are useless

) (i'm kidind)

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:18 am

No, you'll need to cheat or play a custom dungeon where the initial stats are much, much higher

Optis · Post by **Optis** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:27 am

beowuuf wrote:need to cheat or play a custom dungeon where the initial stats are much, much higher

-For cheats can i use CSBuild or is there an other way?

-Played a custom dungeon? do you have a link please?

Adamo · Post by **Adamo** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:49 am

-Played a custom dungeon? do you have a link please?

@optis:
try this one. Just unpack it and start the game like you did with DM:
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/Supersonic525 ... AMECSB.zip

Optis · Post by **Optis** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:27 am

Ok thank you adamo

I'm going to try it

Optis · Post by **Optis** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:30 am

oh damned the link is out of order*

it says : "We regret to inform you that AOL Hometown, AOL Journals (blogs) and KW FTP has been shut down.
Sincerely"

Nevermind i think i found custom dungeons in " http://dmweb.free.fr/?q=view/CustomDungeons "

Trantor · Post by **Trantor** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:24 pm

Yes, there they are. Some good ones to play:

- Imprisoned Again
- Towers of Chaos
- Sukumvit's Labyrinth
- Surgical Strike
- Conflux III (warning: may cause you to break down and cry)

Post by **Lunever** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:08 pm

Even with optimally chosen, reincarnated CSB champions and much rerolling on levelling up, I didn't manage to get much more than some 650 Mana (plus some boni for some items). Currently my best ever is Buzz being OnMaster fighter / Archmaster Ninja / Archmaster priest / MonMaster wizard, and got a natural (non-cheated and non-edited Mana) of 648. On the final wizard level I'll probably try to end on 666 Mana

Optis · Post by **Optis** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:07 pm

ok
so if i want that my champion has 999 mana'points i need a cheat, is that exact?
I will never have 999 of mana by training?

666...hum...must a bad buzz!

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:21 am

In the original game, you will never have 999 without cheating

Optis · Post by **Optis** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:41 am

Well

And can i have 999 mana with CSbuild?

zoom · Post by **zoom** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:58 am

yes you can.
you can change each champions stats.

If you wait a bit longer I could send you a pimped up version of dm or csb characters if you like.
which champion would you choose?

Optis · Post by **Optis** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:02 pm

zoom wrote:I could send you a pimped up version of dm or csb characters if you like.
which champion would you choose?

Oh yes it would very nice. Could you do it with Gothmog please?

Post by **Lunever** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:32 pm

Well, I just played a bit of RTC after quite a while of not having played, took my good old Buzzzzz and achieved the last mising wizard/priest level and got a Mana of 680 (without items). I guess that's the end of it, but then, FTL/CSBWin has different algorithms, so I don't know what the maximum for a reincarnated CSB character with sufficient reloading on levelup would really be.

Optis · Post by **Optis** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:58 pm

ok thank you

My mana is 542 but i want more

Optis · Post by **Optis** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:52 pm

Could i give to someone a savegame of my champion to improve all his competences to the maximun?

zoom · Post by **zoom** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:07 pm

hmm. Just wanted to change the stats, it seems I can only create
bogus illegal heros...which is not good. Something went wrong repeatedly.
In the meantime you could try a program called cheat engine to hack the memory ..while I try to get to the bottom of this..

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:14 pm

I am not sure if you can alter a game in progress...

Bo0gus illegal hero is what you get when you use the default mirror text - you need to expand the text with the checkbox and edit the champion stats (including renaming him)

Optis · Post by **Optis** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:41 am

beowuuf wrote:need to expand the text with the checkbox and edit the champion stats (including renaming him)

I'm sorry but i'm very very bad about informatic programmes
Could you (if it's possible) tell me how to do that with a new champion.
Do i have to use CSBuild? and how, (edit-->import charactere data?)

Thank you

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:14 am

Yes, you need to edit a dungeon with CSBuild

You need to create a mirror with a champion portrait on a wall (unless you are using an existing one)

You then need to create a text on the floor infront of the wall (or edit an existing one). Uncheck the 'show text' for preference if not done. Check the 'edit champion' checkbox if not done.

This will expand the text editing window to allow you to alter all the stats of the champions. To edit a champion's level, you need to go to the appropriate stat (strnegth for fighter, vitality for priest, etc) and there you can add experience into the four sub-skills of the various classes.

Dm Encyclopaedia has what each sub-stat does. It also has the experience for each level.

So, for example, you could put 500 experience into each of the four sub-stats of the fighter (when you have clicked on strength) to give him 2000 experience in total - making a well rounded journeyman fighter

Optis · Post by **Optis** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:04 am

Ok
I've tried it, but it doesn't work :
I've changed my champion skills :Actually i put the maximum everywhere 999 in mana, 9999 in stamina.... and 16384000 into strengh (i think my champion is maybe too stong, he could destroy walls...

)
But when i paly the game and choose my champion he just has i 17 health, 1 into stamina and 17 into mana

.

The attributes are xp points? because there are 4 associated skills with the strengh is it normal?

What do i have to put if i want maximum everywhere?

(NB : i progress..not so easy but i progress

)

Post by **Paul Stevens** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:15 pm

What do i have to put if i want maximum everywhere

I suppose that this is a fair question.
Give me a bit of time and I will try
to create a game as an example of
maximized stats.

Optis · Post by **Optis** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:10 pm

ok
merci Paul !!

zoom · Post by **zoom** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:20 pm

would be interesting

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:30 pm

maximum strength etc in game = 170, maximum through csbuild = 255

The four slots associated with the skills like the fighter skill are sub-skills, I forget what they are used for (see the encyclopaedia) but the total XP of the four gives you your level

Optis · Post by **Optis** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:01 pm

This is it?

00: Fighter
01: Ninja
02: Priest
03: Wizard
Hidden skills:

Hidden Fighter skill
04: Swing
05: Thrust
06: Club
07: Parry

Hidden Ninja skill
08: Steal
09: Fight
10: Throw
11: Shoot

Hidden Priest skill
12: Identify
13: Heal
14: Influence
15: Defend

Hidden Wizard skill
16: Fire
17: Air
18: Earth
19: Water

Optis · Post by **Optis** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:07 pm

I think i get it.

So, to have a champion with maximum skill everywhere i put :

255 to all seven basic attribute
999 Health
9999 Stamina
900 Mana

And 0 percent to all penaltys and max at XP

My champion will destroy everything (perhaps even metal doors...)

I have a last question about experience : what will happen between the max experience or the weakness (my champion is on max in every skills)