[RTC] Tower of Champions HINTS & HELP *SPOILERS*

[Misplay]

About the treasure chamber: it seems so obvious now that I feel a little bit stupid...

Thx for your quick reply!

EDIT: Wait a minute... I mentioned three objects, and you said that two of them are useless. Weird. Maybe one of them is "useful" afterall...

[Adamski]

Useful but not essential. Can be used to understand something incomprehensible.

[Misplay]

I'm in the clock tower. Amazing place!!!

Apparently, I only managed to solve some minors riddles...
- I solve the riddle with the techeye, near the entrance of the clock tower, "What is beyond that door?"... And I had a "successful throwing"! . Sadly, 22 days elasped when I solved it the first time.
- I found my 6th GOR coin in the clock tower... And

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the Stop-time Hourglass

. Nice object!
- In the Sewers, I also found a way to escape from the tower and to go outside (

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Vacuum fuse

). That seems trivial, but I needed food urgently, and now this is no longer a problem (I've got access to the shop).
- I found Sir Richard!!

- Well, I know the Cindirella's story, and I find the correct way to use

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the pumpkin

, but I'm too far from the alcove of

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the BRAMUD'S cave

to complete it.
- I spend a day (game time) near

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the treasure chamber

, but it never opened... I can't understand the hint

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on the scroll (fake wall near the chamber)

. May I beg an hint on this one?!
- BTW, could I lost some objects forever, if I'm too slow in the clock tower?

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Just like the Helmet of RA/SAR

.
- In the version 4.0, is it true that you may have 2 lightnings keys? I found only one

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in the sewers

...

EDIT: Okay, I found a way to resolve the

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pumpkin riddle

... I

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break the "red piece" to stop the time

. I've got a

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coin map

and I know how to use it!!! .

[Misplay]

Crap. I was able to

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change the pumpkin to a lantern

forever... Then, I reloaded a previous save, and it's no longer possible now!

EDIT: After many tests, I've got only one question... In the Clock Tower, could I simultaneously have access to

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the Treasure Chamber

,

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the Shop

AND

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the Pumpkin permanently changed in a Lantern

?
I found the solutions for each part separately, but never together...

[Adamski]

If I remember, when you open

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the treasure chambers the shop is accessible

. I suspect that the

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pumpkin permanently changed in a lantern

is a bug...

[Misplay]

Obstinacy paid off anyway. I've got the

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coin map

and access to the treasure chamber/shop now... Also, I've got cramps of fingers.

Currently in the thousand stairways maze... Seems tricky. I must do a map for this one. Notes won't be enough to finish it, I guess...

BTW, I found a way to use

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the Elven panpipes

in the thousand stairways maze (How many things did you hide in this Dungeon? ). I've got a message when I killed the specter ("you solved a difficult riddle"), but no rewards. Is there a link with this riddle and

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the cursed bones

of the graveyard?

1. Treasure chamber H not found. Maybe it was in the

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Sewers

? Because the Chamber G was in

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the Ghost Cellar

and the Chamber H was in

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the Clock Tower

... But no clue where it could be.
2. Riddle of the Treasure chamber of the symmetry not solved. Try to interact with

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silver coins

and

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light bombs

, but that didn't work...

Again, some hints would be welcome for the Chambers...


EDIT: Currently in the Gems level now... And I've 2 others questions...

3. In the

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Stairs maze

, could you press the A->E switches in any order?!
4. In the

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Stairs maze

, No clue of where I should find the DAIN rune,

[Adamski]

Misplay,

The message about

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the cursed bones

is related to the

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"big circle riddle"

... you solved a step using

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the panpipe in front of the mirror

Treasure chamber H is

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in the sewers, NE (play with a switch)

Treasure chamber J:

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there are 2 ways to solve it

, you are correct

Stair maze:

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there isn't a particular order to press the switches, they are useful to move in different areas and remove the enchantment... after that you'll be able to find the dain rune (there is a secret switch)

[Misplay]

Thx Master!

The message about

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the cursed bones

is related to the

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"big circle riddle"

...

Solved the riddle of the cursed bones. The strange sound (the same you hear when you cast the "DES" spell) near

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the holy fountain

show me the way.
I also heard this sound near the pentacle

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of the Cellar

...

Treasure chamber J:

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there are 2 ways to solve it

, you are correct

A thin hint... But I'll work on it, thx.

Stair maze:

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there isn't a particular order to press the switches, they are useful to move in different areas and remove the enchantment... after that you'll be able to find the dain rune (there is a secret switch)

Okay... I'll try to go further on that way. Anyway, the DAIN rune is not so useful now, because

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I found the secret laboratory of ZENITH

.

Currently in the Pit of madness. The gems level was very funny, one of the best level of this dungeon. The idea of the 2 gems is a great one!

[Misplay]

Hi!

1. I'm stuck in the pit of madness. I found the 4 keys, but I can't escape from this level... I suppose that I should use

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a grapple

, but I didn't find it...
EDIT: Okay, I see where the grapple is... But I can't have access to it, I watched the maps. Pits are not connected to this part of the dungeon. Also, There is a switch near the stairway that disappears after

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I killed the guardians

. Is there a link/bug?

2. I also found the Junius chamber... But I'm stuck in the hall of this chamber.
I must find all the gems in the previous levels?! I'm a little bit surprised, because I only found two of them (

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one with Richard and the other one in the Junius chamber

)... I searched them on various levels (guilds, chess game), but I did'nt find anything.

BTW, I'm happy to finish the pit of madness level. It was the hardest of the levels of this dungeon!

[Misplay]

OMG, I found the grapple!

This level deserves its name... It drives me crazy.

[Misplay]

Lord of Chaos is dead!

31h, 28 of 40 quests completed (70%).

Here are the riddles I didn't solved (Doc Adamski, if you could help me... ):

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- Big Riddle 1, 7 & 8.
- Secret library.
- Final Treasure room.
- Treasure room M (Pit of madness).
- Valentin secret chamber.
- Junius secret chamber.
- 66 days riddle.
- Sasuke mirror (However, I found it and have access to it... But I didn't resurrected Sasuke).
- Magic mirrors (?).
- And... The Firestaff.

Gor Coins... 19 (miss only 1!).

Here are the magic items I didn't find:

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- Bow of flames.
- The 3 stolen books of the library.
- Fire armor (plate and poleyn).

Here are the "minor" riddles I didn't solved:

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- The bloody dagger.
- The 2nd lightning key.
- Isabel's tomb.
- The tomb with a specter in the graveyard (I never found a way to open the door).

Here are the runes I didn't find in the levels:

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- MON rune (I buy it in the magic shop).
- DAIN rune (@ Adamski: You gave me hints to have it, but I failed to find it).
- SAR rune.

This dungeon was a great experience... I've just finish it, but I'm pretty sure that I'll retry it as soon as possible.
New items, New techs ("make potion" and the new spells were a very good idea), new enemies... Great work.
Except the Pit of madness (too hard, IMHO), all the levels are balanced and well designed.

Favorite levels: Gems level, Clock Tower... And the Cellar, once you find a way to kill the ghost. . The stairs maze gave me headaches, so I assume it's also a good one.
Favorite places: Library (I really love this room), The Hieronymus house.
Favorite enemies: The Timedemon!!! (The tech to kill him was a great idea). I also like the "nagas", the basilik (Mines) and the minotaur. But all the new monsters are a good addition.

Don't know how to explain this dungeon, you must try it, that's all. DM/CSB seems so short and tasteless compared to the Tower of Champions...

[Darth Mouse]

To Misplay I'm Glad you enjoyed the game
Many Many thanks first to George and then to Adamski
His games and ideas really make for a great game experience
I suggest you try Upside Down Next it's quite a challenge
Found under Project U-D on this site
A little bit smaller that TOC but an even more involved theme

Also take look at his current project underworld dreams
still in deveopment stage but stunning in its look (is this realy DM)

Back to TOC its quite the classic is it not?
I'm on my 2nd run thru the game have progressed to the Wax Museum.
still discovering new things and solving new puzzles
I will keep your list of unfinished quest close at hand as
I want to see if I can complete the unfinished quest
as I'm playtesting the next version right now

I had offered Adamski my help to revise the text in the game
He was Kind enough to trust me with the work
I have completed my 1st edit & 1st corrections to that edit
and am currently play testing to ensure that all my proposed
revisions to the test are correct and fitting as you play thru them
and am keeping a log of some minor revisions to make for the final version

I hope to finish in about 2 to 3 weeks
time to play and then some final checks thru the puzzles and
more playtesting to make sure they all work as expected
I would hope then that Adamski will OK all the proposed revisions to his
original text and any other suggestion due my playtesting
and that the next verion will be released (Ver 5.0)

It would be appreciated if you could wait and test this new version
and maybe some feedback on the text revision would be helpful

Again thank to both George for the engine
and Adamski for such Wondeful game

Darth Mouse Dungeon Master

[Adamski]

@Misplay
Firstly thanks for your remarks about ToC. Version 4.x is way harder than previous versions, particularly both pit madness levels, so I'm not surprised about your opinion. I agree also about the gems level, my favourite

And now some hints:
- Big Circle Riddle:

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when you solve a riddle you win a scroll with a hint for next part, but I don't remember there is a number that identify each part. Tell me what you have solved

.
- Secret library:

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the key is in a grave. Remember, now you have the teleport spell (and also the grapple)...

- Final treasure room:

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open all the treasure chambers

- Treasure room M:

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if you killed Lord Chaos...

- Valentin secret chamber:

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only a guild master can open the lock...

- Junius secres chamber:

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what's the problem here? Are you stuck in that chamber? There is a teleport to go back...

- 66 day riddle:

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probably you didn't wait 66 days at the clock tower level. Unfortunately the clock mechanism can't be reactivated

- Sasuke mirror:

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the passage is at the gems level, look up

- Magic mirrors:

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use wisely the gor coins

- The firestaff:

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compete the big circle riddle

- Bow of flames:

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it's related to Isabel's Tomb

- 3 stolen books:

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they are only mentioned

- Lighting keys:

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it isn't a riddle, they are two

- Isabel's Tomb:

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what do you place on a grave?

- The tomb with a specter:

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do you remember what I said about the secret library?

@Darth Mouse:
Do not forget the 'limited items' problem I found in RTC. If you add more food, check if the game works correctly without freezing.

Underwold dreams is way more you can see from the demo, I hope I finish as soon as possible.

Thank you, waiting ToC 5.0

[Misplay]

To Misplay I'm Glad you enjoyed the game
Many Many thanks first to George and then to Adamski
His games and ideas really make for a great game experience
I suggest you try Upside Down Next it's quite a challenge
Found under Project U-D on this site
A little bit smaller that TOC but an even more involved theme

Also take look at his current project underworld dreams
still in deveopment stage but stunning in its look (is this realy DM)

As usual, I forget the basis. G. Gilbert kept the legend of DM alive, nothing could have been done without his RTC. Amazing work too. I remember the first time I discovered the RTC Editor...

I didn't DL the Underworld dreams project (couldn't find it on this site), but I DL the Upside/Down project... What a weird idea for a dungeon!
I don't have much time to test it (I only played 20', that's all) but The Tarot/Comedy components seems a cool idea for a scenario. I could feel the "Adamski's touch" behind this creation...

BTW, have you got a link for the "Underworld dreams" project?
(I want to know who is Nadir... )

Back to TOC its quite the classic is it not?
I'm on my 2nd run thru the game have progressed to the Wax Museum.
still discovering new things and solving new puzzles
I will keep your list of unfinished quest close at hand as
I want to see if I can complete the unfinished quest
as I'm playtesting the next version right now

Thx a lot! My goal is to solve all the quests, even if they aren't useful to finish the game...

I had offered Adamski my help to revise the text in the game
He was Kind enough to trust me with the work
I have completed my 1st edit & 1st corrections to that edit
and am currently play testing to ensure that all my proposed
revisions to the test are correct and fitting as you play thru them
and am keeping a log of some minor revisions to make for the final version

I hope to finish in about 2 to 3 weeks
time to play and then some final checks thru the puzzles and
more playtesting to make sure they all work as expected
I would hope then that Adamski will OK all the proposed revisions to his
original text and any other suggestion due my playtesting
and that the next verion will be released (Ver 5.0)

It would be appreciated if you could wait and test this new version
and maybe some feedback on the text revision would be helpful

Again thank to both George for the engine
and Adamski for such Wondeful game

Darth Mouse Dungeon Master

I'll be honoured to playtest the 5.0. June will be a busy month for me anyway... But I'll have a lot of free time in July.
I'll keep an eye on this topic. When the 5.0 will be released, just post the link. I'll post the feedback as soon as possible.

[Misplay]

@Misplay
[...] HINTS [...]

Damn, so much things to think about and to do... I'll try them tonight. Thx for all your hints, Doc Adamski!

Underwold dreams is way more you can see from the demo, I hope I finish as soon as possible.

I hope you 'll finish it as soon as possible too!!!
It'll be hard to wait the conlusion of ToC... One aspect of TOC I really love, it's the story: the quest for your identity lead you through the levels, it's not only a game of "solve the riddles and kill the Lord".

BTW, if you need someone to test the beta version...

[Misplay]

- Big Circle Riddle:

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when you solve a riddle you win a scroll with a hint for next part, but I don't remember there is a number that identify each part. Tell me what you have solved

.

Here are the parts of the "big riddle" I solved:

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- I was able to look through the door of the Clock tower...
- ... Then I saved a tormented soul, with the Panpipes...
- ... Then I purified the cursed bones...
- ... Then I used "more than one light" around the "five red arms"...
- ... Then I quenched the thirst of the Warrior's horse...
- ... Then... Nothing. I'm stuck!

My next hint is

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"Looks like a king"

. I think there is a link between this hint and the

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Crown of Nerra

...
The scroll asks me

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to make a move and to use a particulary item

(if I remember it correctly, I can't have access to my savegames right now), but I didn't find what kind of move to do, what kind of item I should use (maybe

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the Cross of Nerra

) or where I have to do this little ritual... Damn,

The 4 leaf clover give me an hint in the pit of madness (

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near the picture of the Couatl

). Otherwise, I've no clue of where I've to go for the next 2 parts of the Big riddle...

...And that's the biggest problem when you try to solve the big riddle: you don't know where to go... And the dungeon is very large!
EX: For the

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thirst of the horse

part, I never walk near this area during my exploration of the guilds (I didn't have the Clover at this point)... It's only when I tried to go to

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the secret hall

that I discovered the

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"horse"

. Maybe an hint with

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"Warrior's horse"

instead of

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"horse"

would be easier to find...


EDIT: Some additional comments about the hints...

- Junius secret chamber:

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what's the problem here? Are you stuck in that chamber? There is a teleport to go back...

No. I don't know what to do here, that's all. I only put the

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two gems I found

to open

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2 treasures chambers of my choice

. Is there something else to do in this chamber?

- 66 day riddle:

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probably you didn't wait 66 days at the clock tower level. Unfortunately the clock mechanism can't be reactivated

No I didn't! That's why I must do this dungeon one more time.

- Sasuke mirror:

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the passage is at the gems level, look up

In fact, I know exactly where it is!
That's my fault, I saved before I climb up and died shortly after that. When I reloaded, I forgot to climb up again, so the game considered that I didn't find the mirror. I tried it later, and the quest was considered as "completed", even if I didn't resurrected Sasuke.
Yep, I completed 29 of the 40 quests for my first try!

- Magic mirrors:

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use wisely the gor coins

I'm so stupid! I've got a

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coin map

and forget to use it... I was so hurried to finish the game that I forgot this place.

- Lighting keys:

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it isn't a riddle, they are two

Any hint where I could find it?! I just want to explore every corner of this dungeon, that's all...
I found the 4

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IR keys

BTW.


And what about the bloody dagger? Any hint for this one? I want to reveal the truth about

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Hieronymus's death

. His soul should rest in peace.
Last point, I didn't find any use for the Corbamite. I assumed it was a useless item... Is it true?

[Misplay]

- Big Circle Riddle: Since I went to the

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Guild of mages

, the Clover

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irradiates light

. Weird.
- Secret library: ???? Still working on it... But it's hard, even with your hints.
- Final treasure room: Done.
- Treasure room M: Done.
- Valentin secret chamber: Done! This room is mandatory for a player who likes the storyline...
- Magic mirrors: Done.
- Bow of flames/IIsabel's Tomb: Done!

[Darth Mouse]

To Misplay

I noticed the same thing myself.
There is a Bug with the 4 Leaf clover there (it switches forms & does not switch back)
It can be reset by going to any of the other 7 places where it respondes to the big circle riddle
and then avoiding that location in the entrace to Mages Guild it will then work normally
or remember that there is a problem there and you need to visit an other location where the 4 leaf clover works

To Adamski there is a missing Triger and Action found at all the other locations
I Will fix this bug in version 5.0 (UNLESS INFORMED OTHERWISE)

The Big Circle Riddle

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My advice is to reload a save before you stop the Tower Clock
& wait till 60 days and 10 Hours the correct answer I believe
(this time is the solution to 3 quests)
1) Access to the 60 days Big Circle
2) Access to the store 8 to 12 O'Clock
3) Access to the treasure room 10 O'Clock

Secret Library the answer is in the Graveyard
This brings up my earlier advice on the need to always map the game to help you find missing area's

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Remember that there are more entrances than just the gravestones
at the boarders as mentioned earlier check your maps they should
show an unexplored area on the level below ground level

My playtesting to solve all quests Also

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On my part Solved one of the missing Runes (Gor Rune)
It involves doing something with the books in the library
But you will need a save before you have done anything in the libary.

Dont want to backup 3 days playing for this rune.

Here are the revised hints for the Missing Big Circle Riddle you seemed to need to solve the 3 remaining riddles

1st Missing riddle

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In three styles
they exist, I
have only two.
put back which
is missed, and
I'll provide
you with
another clue.

Final Hint

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look for colection of objects that is incomplete

2nd missing riddle

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You're Looking
like a king
be sure to take
the fast shift,
and with the
right thing
you'll receive
my next gift

Final Hint

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this took me 3 days and help from my sister. You want to dress up and take a ride.
the right thing was the part that's still not to clear it simply means be sure that the one
dressed up is the selected player ie right click on that adventurer first and that he/she is
the selected player.

3rd missing riddle

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When in the
snake room
you mustn't
consume.
This Penance
feels like
a long painful
hunger strike.

Final Hint

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this should not be do difficult think about where you saw snakes and a
colection of something you really needed.

I'm amazzed that you got chaos without the firestaff I tried but kept getting my party
vaporized so I decided I needed the firestaff. I knew where it was but could not get it until I
solved the circle riddle. it took me a week to complete as my food ran out.

What really made it much easier was first solving the 60 days riddle

Here is a sample of my work as you seen above with the 3 circle riddle
its been a labor of love and in all cases I have tried not to change Adamski original
text other that to try and make it clearer for the player to understand.

Original clue

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Go back when
60 days will
have passed.

Revised clue

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Return here
when sixty days
have passed.

That clue was strange a first as it was found before I got into the tower.
But it became clear once I had started the tower clock. I created a special
save just for that. Final correct solution is shown above.

in Addition here is the revised text once you pass thru that door

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That's really terrific!
you have shown great wisdom and patience
to have waited all of sixty days to be here,
so that you can perceive the big circle.

Again I am Keeping track of what you have finished so I'm sure it all works
as Adamski had planned.

Finally thank you for offering to play version 5.0

Darth Mouse Dungeon Master

[Misplay]

Thx for your reply!

I'm amazzed that you got chaos without the firestaff I tried but kept getting my party
vaporized so I decided I needed the firestaff. I knew where it was but could not get it until I
solved the circle riddle. it took me a week to complete as my food ran out.

I only needed 5 runes to defeat the Lord!

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ZO BROS ROS (Spell reflection)

for the Lord. This spell is also very useful when you fight the "Eyeballs-immune-to-spells" (I think Doc Adamski called them "Xanathar").

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YA IR (or FUL BRO NETA? I am not sure now...)

for the lightnings

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that activate the Sun Orb

...

But this is a "no style" solution. I really to fight him with the Firestaff.

Secret Library the answer is in the Graveyard
This brings up my earlier advice on the need to always map the game to help you find missing area's

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Remember that there are more entrances than just the gravestones
at the boarders as mentioned earlier check your maps they should
show an unexplored area on the level below ground level

. That's my weakness, I didn't map the areas... During the entire game, I don't have to: most of the levels are very simples, and the "complex" levels have their own maps (drawn on scrolls or even on the walls). I hope that the OH EW RA spell will be enough to find the solution...
However, this is a good hint. I'll try next night.

2nd missing riddle

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You're Looking
like a king
be sure to take
the fast shift,
and with the
right thing
you'll receive
my next gift

Final Hint

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this took me 3 days and help from my sister. You want to dress up and take a ride.
the right thing was the part that's still not to clear it simply means be sure that the one
dressed up is the selected player ie right click on that adventurer first and that he/she is
the selected player.

Damn, I sold all the clothes I found, but none of them match to the description. Thx for this hint too anyway. I'm still in the dark, but maybe things will be clearer when I'll go back to the shop.

[Darth Mouse]

To Misplay

That's interesting about the spells, especially the reflection spell
I'm going to have to check my notes about the spell I missed that.

It's interesting how different players find different thing in the game.

The second missing riddle you only need 1 item which you have already
figured out.

This bring me to another point about recording all the game feedback
This aspect about game play is possibly more important than mapping
as I find it impossible to remember exactly everything I read in the dungeon.

Good Notes are key when you're stuck
Example the riddle your stuck on...
There is a specific hint for this riddle
in the form of wall writing near the location your
searching for. (It will all make sense once you find this location)

I always make a map and record all game feedback under
either Scrolls, Walltext, or Speech.
So when I'm stuck on something, I take a break and
reread all my notes. This helps me find or at the very least
narrow down where I should go or what I need to do, to try to solve the
quests that I'm stuck on.

Sometimes the feedback you receive from the games is 1x only and unless you know
to save before it happens. You read it quickly and 3 days latter when you need to
remember exactly what the hint was you cannot and are stuck.

So my suggestions are to record every piece of feedback in the game.
use the escape key to freeze the game and get out your maps
turn the paper over and write it down. Also record all the Scrolls
so that when you need that info you just reread your notes.
Otherwise you can spend a lot of time looking for that scroll
that has the info you need. This method can save you time in
the long run. This also goes for mapping.

My final suggestion on these unsolved quest in TOC is make a list
and when you replay the upcoming version focus on these as
it will give you more satisfaction solving them your self.

Darth Mouse Dungeon Master

[Misplay]

To Misplay
That's interesting about the spells, especially the reflection spell

... And a good solution to find the 2nd

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gem of Junius

.

The second missing riddle you only need 1 item which you have already
figured out.
[...]
(It will all make sense once you find this location)

Thx for this one... Once I knew I was using the right item, I tried to focus on WHERE I should use it. The "Take the fast shift" part became suddenly clearer when I found the place. Yep, it was a "royal" hint,

The 2 others riddles were quite simples, I found them pretty quickly...

However, I didn't have the Firestaff yet.
I thought it will appear on the floor (or I will have access to the "Nobody is allowed there" area) when the big riddle will be solved, but that's not the case.

This brings me 2 more questions:
- ANy hint where I could find the Firestaff? I'm surprised, I didn't have a new item when I solved the big riddle...
- How can I have access to the "Nobody is allowed here" area?

This also goes for mapping.

You're right... But mapping is sooo boring. I hate doing it.

On my part Solved one of the missing Runes (Gor Rune)
It involves doing something with the books in the library
But you will need a save before you have done anything in the libary.

Do you mean the

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SAR rune

?
I don't remember there is a riddle to have the Gor rune...

Secret Library: the answer is in the Graveyard

You (and Doc Adamski) gave me a lot of hints for this one, and I think I figure exactly what I've to do... However, I can't find the area where I should use the

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grapple

. As I said earlier, I hate mapping the areas, and a hint on which level I have to search would be welcome...
-

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Sewers

?
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Bramud's cave

?
I spent a lot of time on this riddle, and my patience is drying out...

[Darth Mouse]

To misplay

Some of the differences may be that I played Ver 3.3


The 2nd Gem of Julius?? (I got the 1st without the reflection spell
instead used the spell for the defense drone)


The final part of the Big Circle Riddle
This reinforces my post yesterday of how important good notes are especially in large dungeons
that you are playing for the 1st time. As its next to impossible to remember all
the game feedback. It made it easy for me as I did not have the 4 leaf clover then and
had to rely on my notes to solve the 8 riddles but I had a huge advantage

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having solved to 60 Days puzzle as that gave me 8 important additional hints for the big circle riddle.

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Take the fast shift Very good guess that was my 1st try but that's not the location your looking for.

When you find it. It will be so obvious!

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(Hint it is in the tower check from top to bottom)

(You might actually be tempted to use some of the spells on yourself when you do find it! Poof...Grrrr!!!!)


The firestaff location
you have found the right location

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How would you get the eye to ignore you humm????

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Use the XXXXXXXXXXXX spell (that should be obvoius)

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If you don't have all the correct runes there is a potion for that...

Runes
The Sar Rune is correct not the Gor rune
I got all the runes but 2.

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And had to purchase 2 in the shop (Tower clock level)

Now I am only missing 1


The Secret Library

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The Key your looking for is under the graveyard in a grave.

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Try to bash all the objects in the graveyard there are other entrances there

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Just be carefull you have to deal with non-material monsters!!!

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And don't forget the grapple or use the teleport spell.

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It's the other entrance to the door you never opened.

PS Adamski has a new section Project U-D Underworld Dreams cast your vote

Darth Mouse Dungeon Master

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The 2nd Gem of Julius?? (I got the 1st without the reflection spell
instead used the spell for the defense drone)

I think we are talking about the same gem... As you said earlier, different players use different solutions, and I never think using the minion spell here.

BTW, a

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secret character

owns another gem.

Some of the differences may be that I played Ver 3.3
[...]

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Take the fast shift Very good guess that was my 1st try but that's not the location your looking for.

When you find it. It will be so obvious!

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(Hint it is in the tower check from top to bottom)

I may misunderstand what you said, but if you are talking about the

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Royal Shortcut

and the

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Crown of Nerra

, it works.

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(You might actually be tempted to use some of the spells on yourself when you do find it! Poof...Grrrr!!!!)

??? Sorry, I don't understand...

The firestaff location

"I am the new owner of the Firestaff"!!!
Thx for your hint, I would give up if you didn't help me.

The Secret Library

Got this one too. A weird thing: the

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flamitt

I found in this grave doesn't have charges...

I Will fix this bug in version 5.0 (UNLESS INFORMED OTHERWISE)

Okay! Missed this sentence before, sorry.

Revised clue

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Return here
when sixty days
have passed.

That clue was strange a first as it was found before I got into the tower. But it became clear once I had started the tower clock. I created a special
save just for that. Final correct solution is shown above.

As I read back my notes (25 pages!), I understood that I never found this scroll or never had this hint. Any hint where I should explore to have it?
This should be outside the Tower, and I pretty sure that I missed it.

Talking about the clock tower, I also found a fakewall with a scroll (

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"Wait for 13 bells"

) near the stair that leads to the

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Perfect symmetry

...

On my part Solved one of the missing Runes (Gor Rune)
It involves doing something with the books in the library
But you will need a save before you have done anything in the libary.

I kept a lot of gamesaves (about 20), and one of them starts before I enter into the library and kill the Specters... Except that I stole

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the picture of the mage

. In this case, can I still find the rune, even if

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the picture of the mage

is in the

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Wax museum

?

PS: Adamski has a new section Project U-D Underworld Dreams cast your vote

It will be my next post!

[Darth Mouse]

To Misplay

Glad you got the Firestaff it is Possibly the most difficult part of the game the other being the Final Treasure Room.
My Bad Joke. (Royal Shortcut)
Sorry they get worse as the week goes on...

The Flamitt Will add that to my list of Thing to do / Verify before I submit my proposed correction back to Adamski

Reworded Clue

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was on the wall as Secret Text (all you saw was a series of X's and the number 60)

Made sure since I had the spell that I recored both the secret text and the original Hidden text

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That particular piece of secret text was outside the door that opened after 60 Days

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Found on the Bottom level thru a Fake wall

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its the solution to see the big Circle

Save Games
I know that I create a series of seperate Directory.
Example the first time thru the game had about 50 Direcories with 8 saves in each
Never overwrite a save before I back it up (just my way of doing things)
Current play thru im up to about 30 Directories with 8 games each

Rune in Library

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Its mechanism is tied to the books in the library

I believe you get it right first time or forget it.
It is an obscure puzzle with no hints and an unusual solution.
A hint somewhere before one enters the library would be helpful.
Will analyze all the spell to see what spells you can't access without that rune to make decesion as to
the importance that the player usually solve this or its just an extra.
Will ask Adamski what he thinks of my analysis.
Will send a PM to Adamski (once I finish my play thru) with this issues and all the others that I have found
and he will decide on all these issues.

Darth Mouse Dungeon Master

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Reworded Clue

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was on the wall as Secret Text (all you saw was a series of X's and the number 60)

Made sure since I had the spell that I recored both the secret text and the original Hidden text

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That particular piece of secret text was outside the door that opened after 60 Days

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Found on the Bottom level thru a Fake wall

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its the solution to see the big Circle

Okay... Can't find it... But It should be in the

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Guild of the mages

, right?

Rune in Library

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Its mechanism is tied to the books in the library

I believe you get it right first time or forget it.
It is an obscure puzzle with no hints and an unusual solution.
A hint somewhere before one enters the library would be helpful.
Will analyze all the spell to see what spells you can't access without that rune to make decesion as to
the importance that the player usually solve this or its just an extra.
Will ask Adamski what he thinks of my analysis.
Will send a PM to Adamski (once I finish my play thru) with this issues and all the others that I have found
and he will decide on all these issues.

I'm drowning... Can't interact with the books to have the Rune... In fact, I can't imagine what I've to do here... Could you give some hints please?

[Darth Mouse]

To Misplay

The sixty day riddle

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No its on the bottom level that the same level as the Firestaff

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Here are the instruction as to how to get to it

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Go to the secret Guild Hall (one with 4 pictures of current guild Masters
pass thru hole in floor (you did solve Azel last will and testiment riddle)

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Once down Go North thru door anf turn left
Turn right at first intersection, the turn right, then left
at the grate on floor (3 way intersection) just pass thru the wall
that where the big circle is!

The GOR Rune

I was WRONG and Adamski is a smarter game designer than I am a
reader of the editor. (hope to fix that but see my last topic below)

Here is my revised text and clue to this obscure puzzle its found
in the book on the table as you enter thru the front door and is
added to an existing clue

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This Book can't help you.
Please put it back in it's bookshelf.

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It is not allowed to leave all
the books lying around.

If you solve this puzzle here is the revised text
as the game puts the GOR rune in the library.

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Because you have shown that you are such a scholar
of secret knowledge. There is a magic gift waiting
for you... Use it Wisely! Also remember the Librarian
wishes that all books be put back in their bookshelfs

That should give you enough to solve this puzzle and will help me
to discover if my additional clues are working.

NOW YOU CAN HELP ME with a problem i've discover in version 4.1
Please verify that you are playing version 4.0 (shown on startup screen
where you resume your game)

The door with the eye that says "Nowbody is allowed here" and that leads to
the firestaff

If you are Visible how many times does the eye speak to you
once as you enter the hall
or twice once as you enter the hall and again as you approach the door

If invisble nothing and you can pass thru the door
or Nothing then it speaks to you as you approach the door and you can't pass thru the door

I have played ver 3.3 and it only speaks to you ONCE
what does version 4.0 do???


Final subject on this Post
The need for a manual for the game editor.
I have found something on http://dmwiki.atomas.com/wiki/RTC
but this is imcomplete
I know that as I write my first game i will dvelop an Manual for RTC as a reference
for myself (will share with community when done)
Needed chapters on how to use the game engine
needed a common resource library contaning graphics, sounds, and samples lessons.
these are just first ideas on what is needed.

Darth Mouse Dungeon Master

[beowuuf]

The only way the wiki will become complete is if people like yourself add to it! I beliee megar can allow access to the wiki to edit it for your findings. And for any examples.


There is a sticky link for common resources, and there is a place for RTC code for quick things in the editing forum for RTC. The trouble is that either a) people use graphics from other sources, or b) develop them themselves for use on their own games then don't finish the project, but don't want to share the assets in case they get back.

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I'm playing with the version 4.0.

If you are Visible how many times does the eye speak to you
A. once as you enter the hall
B. or twice once as you enter the hall and again as you approach the door

The eye said me two times "you're not allowed"... Answer "B".

If invisble
A. nothing and you can pass thru the door
B. or Nothing then it speaks to you as you approach the door and you can't pass thru the door
Darth Mouse Dungeon Master

Answer "B". However, you're a little bit closer than before with the potion, so you could use a "speed spell" (OH IR ROS) to pass the door.

Now you're talking about, it seems weird, but I did'nt mention it because I found a "solution" pretty clickly. Is it a bug?


EDIT: Oh, and thx for your hints... I'll try it next night...

[Darth Mouse]

To Misplay

Thank you for your feedback on this issue

My experience was from ver 3.3 (possibly expecting ver 4.1 to work the same)
Will test your solution to see if that works!
Had a party of 4 and the 4th player did have the boots of speed.

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That may explain why there are another 3 boots of speed on this level

Will use spell as sugested first.

If that is the correct solution will have to adjust the hints as this
2nd part of the solution was not obvious to me at all.

I tried to disable the eye but was frustrated at not being able to pass thru door so
I needed to spend more time on this to try more possible solutions.

Will try that out tonight and will keep you informed of outcome and will share with you the
revised hint for this if your solution is correct. Thank you again

In addition Will have to create a new list of all spells from all the games as my list
clearly is not complete. Some spell I know about but what they do is a mystery.
example was the reflect spell from CSB and will either have to replay it or go thru my notes
very carefully.


Darth Mouse Dungeon Master

[Darth Mouse]

To Misplay

It worked thank you

Here is my revised clue

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THE EYE SWIFTLY COMES TO LIFE AND THEN LOOKS STRAIGHT
AT YOU AND EXPLAINS: "NOBODY IS ALLOWED IN HERE!
YOU MUST LEAVE HERE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE!"

This should help the player solve this clue

Got the firestaff opened the final treasureroom
defeated the 4 Beholders & visited the mirror room
Lord Chaos look out I'm coming to chop your head Off!!

And finish the game

Darth Mouse Dungeon Master