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what is the current version? I have been away for a while. always check back to see if new version or new game. I have played and completed toc and ud. Is toc in version 5? I played ver 4

The Last Official Version is 4.0

Here is an explanation of why I keep referring to version 5.0

On one of the many post Adamski had mentioned that he had difficulties with English
I assumed that his first language was Italian as his location was in Italy
So I had offered my help to him and he was kind and trusting and took me up on my offer
He sent me the source code for TOC ver 4.0 and I spent the next
5 Months rewording all the text in the game fixing the typo's and reworking and
rewording all the clues and hints in the game.
Using my experience playing the game that provide me with ideas and reviewing the posts
to see where players had difficulties playing the game and pay special attention the those areas.

We had communicated back and forth thru a few Personal Messages (PM).
I had sent him my first draft and explained that I wanted to do a final run thru the game
and using this as a final check and maybe a few new ideas for a final revision of the game.

I have sent him my finished work but have not heard from since.

The reason I keep mentioning Version 5.0 is that in one of his PM he wrote that once
all this was finished he would release a new version 5.0.
This version would include all my revisions that he had approved.

This all took place between February and early June of this year.
During this time Misplay was also playing and we communicated thru many posts
On this site and we discovered 1 Minor Bug (4 Leaf clover)

So I undertook the liberty of fixing this bug and made 2 additional changes,
that I thought would be an improvement to the game.
The first is a clue that is still repeated once the puzzle is solved
so I Fixed that.
The second was a puzzle that in not solved correctly you still received a
congratulations even though you meet a quick demise so
I altered that so a new text was added if you did the wrong thing and the
congratulations only if solved correctly.

This Game is Adamski and he MUST approve all my revisions to his original text
and he must decide to release version 5.0

I can only hope that some time in the future he will release this version 5.0.

Darth Mouse

Hi there,

in a few hours of spare time I had I have made a little bit of progress into the game, got the two keys from the fighters' and mages' guilds. Now I think that I came across two potential bugs:

1.

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Clicking on the

fountain

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near the tower with an empty flask in hand does not give you a flask of water, but a YA potion?!

2.

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In order to get the key from the

priests' guild

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one has to guide the *somewhat* reanimated Korahn from the VI altar to the mausoleum on the other side of the building. The guy has to be led around, blocked and driven at the appropriate locations in order to reach his final destination. On the fifth try , I had him move from the pits into the corridor leading to the mausoleum - but he would take the route to the teleport right next to the black flame, which was not blocked at that moment -, jumped into the teleport - and vanished completely from the game. But of course that might be intended as a possible obstacle the player has to deal with...

Okay, now I am again a bit clueless at two points:

1. The

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teleport to the Guild Hall

in the priests' guild

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that is hidden behind a fake wall on the lower level of the guild

is not working. How

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can I activate it

?

2. After a few tries I have finally passed the

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''verify your aim' test at the thieves' guild

. But now I seem stuck

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in the room with the rotating pits.

Is the only choice

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to just run - at the right time - and hope not to drop into one of the pits

, or

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does it have to do with the room one would drop to - but then, there is no obvious or easily discernible way to leave that room

?!

I have been playing skyrim for the last year. Excellent. first game that is all that it should be. It is playable and addictive like DM TOC and Ultima, etc. Is Adamski working on the games? I hope so. He is the greatest talent that is not designing professionally!! He is just a little sporadic. I have been waiting on the edge of my chair for his next tour de force.

Hello all.

Some time ago, I played ToC but stopped at the clock level. I restarted it and this time, I've finished it! Probably the most rewarding game I've ever played. And my fav RTC dungeon for sure. What a game! The riddles, the new mechanics, the storyline, the new graphics, the new sounds, the hardness... Everything is close to perfection. Amazing work, Adamski.

I've some experience in RTC editing, and I've to say congratulations for the complex mechanics... For many of them, I don't even know how you did them. Special applauses for the special monster mechanics, they are a great improvement to the DM gameplay.

Here are my final stats:
Playtime: 14h58 (well, I actually played the game two times in a row up to the clock level (I had the "absent cellar ghost" bug the first time), so it was much faster the second time)
Secrets: 33/40 (I've looked for many hints here, still have to look for some more)

Missing secrets:

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Big circle riddle: steps 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 (I just read on the forum what the clover is...) (A more descriptive name for these steps could be better, it would be like a hint on what to look for)

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Mining (does it mean I've missed a gem to extract?)

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60 days riddle (I have to pick an old saved game from before the clock level ending...)

Plus the stairs maze treasure room

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(opened via the "bonus" entrance). I've found 7 keys out of 10. I think I know how to find the last 3...

Of course I didn't get the firestaff, but the completion message appears even if you don't pick it... That's not a problem, this way it counts that you entered that place.
... and probably many other things that are not noticed in the secrets list!

2 little bugs:
Junius room:

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if you put a gem in the last gemhole (upper pit room), it opens the right door but the gem appears in the wrong gemhole (the next one, gems room)

I have a bug occuring in the stats screen, when it scrolls down the thrown items...

I'll look for the last big circle riddles, and will surely play Upside Down next. And will be looking forward for the other planned games, Underworld Dreams and Toc2: legend of the Nine Worlds. Are you still on these, Adamski?

I'm stumped by the start room! Can I make my fingers smaller? Can't use the nail to push small switch. Can I break the wall?

The start room is quite complex. You need to look to all the items and have them in hand. Also, if you find a useless item, trying throwing it away (in a way that won't lose it)

I believ the very first post here has a clue aswell.

Igor Poulpupov wrote: Missing secrets:

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Big circle riddle: steps 3, 4, 6, 7, 8 (I just read on the forum what the clover is...) (A more descriptive name for these steps could be better, it would be like a hint on what to look for)

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Mining (does it mean I've missed a gem to extract?)

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60 days riddle (I have to pick an old saved game from before the clock level ending...)

Solved them all. The

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4 leaf clover

is a pretty essential item.

The first room is very complex indeed, like a succession of riddles in a 4 squares (and a little more) room. Do whatever possible with the few items you have...

Hmmmm Quite a poser. Now. is there any way to read the censored texts?

Magically censored texts? Sounds like you made your way out of the prison and through some areas. You should find the answer in an hidden place not so far from where these texts are...

I forgot a bug which was previously pointed out: Alexei's mana points

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decreased after I put him in the mirror. He now is an expert priest and wizard with only 65 mana points...

Unless you mean the spoilers here? Click on the black text or highlight it with your mouse

I meant the spoilers, yeah that should have been obvious to just click on it. I threw the

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cheese

and received a stick but thats no help. The first text mentions a

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scroll

I dont see a

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scroll

and didnt find any

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dart[/spoiler when I threw the

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book

The stick is

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thin enough

to help you. Maybe you forgot about a message that appeared when you clicked on something... In this case, you can restart your game in order to get this message again and understand it all.

There and back again. Been playing other dungeons, but intrieged by the graphics and depth (apparent from posts) so I have to take one more whack at this. Never got out of the start room! How to use the metal I found? I don"t see any

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way to tie it to the stick

Look to your clothes!

D ' OH!

It's sneaky

congratulation for this game... It´s great!!

BUT i´m stuck at the gems level....

i can´t defeat this ugly eye monster..
i tryed everthing .. froze the time, many fireballs, poison flask, God Thunder (nice hammer) .. nothing works

one shot from the monster... i died..

can´t find any hints about it here

someone can help me?

Playing the latest version - and despite having completed a certain puzzle before I can't remember how to do it!

It is at Pit Madness, just before you get to Sasuke. There is a pit and a movable wall that block your path - the green button removes the wall - but a pressure pad just before it closes it. You can see a corbamite over the pit.

I'm sure it is simple, but my memory escapes me!

Hanns-G wrote:congratulation for this game... It´s great!!

BUT i´m stuck at the gems level....

i can´t defeat this ugly eye monster..
i tryed everthing .. froze the time, many fireballs, poison flask, God Thunder (nice hammer) .. nothing works

one shot from the monster... i died..

can´t find any hints about it here

someone can help me?

You have to be very, very quick! Hit, sidestep, and so on.

The game is completed bar the coautl riddle and the blue steele. Any clues?

Looking for someone with a good memory, since this is an old thread and i'm playing it years after everyone else.

I'm being driven to distraction looking for a gold key for the door behind the fake wall in the sewers. Can't find it anywhere. I've mapped the cellar and sewers (apart from the bit beyond the black flames) and still no luck.

Even a rough idea of it's location would help. Is it even in the cellar or sewers?

There is a

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teleport

in the sewers

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sending you to an alchove with a scroll just saying "nothing". You will teleport back within seconds. Before that happens, search the place.

By the way, I also have a question. I am in the clock tower and seek a way to get the chests with clothes on the electricity path. I get easily get them by stopping the time, but I guess I will need the time stop later on?
So, is there another way in getting the chests? By just trying to be fast I always get toasted on the way back

I forgot I even posted that. In typical fashion, I found it ten minutes later.

In the clock tower, I got the chests by planning the steps and doing it fast... One chest at a time (stopping in the safe spot nearby until the electricity turned off again).
I'm a little hazy on the other point. I thought you could use the time stop repeatedly until you

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break the gem

. Doesn't it reappear in the alcove? I could be wrong on that.
In any case, you'll need it to get the

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branches

if you haven't already.

Hi everyone,

old thread, but still a great dungeon

I made it to the pit level, but I missed some things on the way and would like to ask for some more clues...
1) I still miss the KATH rune. Heard that it would be in the

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guild hall

, but could not find it.
2) How do solve the treasure chamber in the Ghost cellar?
3) Is there a way to get further into the deep levels? I mean the ones at the bottom of the wishing well or the bottom of the pit in Bramud's cave? In both places I have closed doors I cannot open.
4) Where is the place to do the

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"dress like a king"

part of the big circle riddle?
Many thanks in advance

Hi Leslie,

I had to see the RTC file to remember all the points

1)

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tapestry S-E

2)

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use all the keyholes

3)

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no, the deepest level is where the game ends

4)

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sewers

Saumun,

if I remember, after destroing the time gem the time hourglass doesn't appear any more.
And about the gold key, Leslie's answer is correct. But keep in mind that

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there is only one gold key for 2 keyholes

Paul,

the blue steele is a

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lever combination in the sewer control chamber.

The couatl riddle needs

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the party totally hungry next to the table full of food at the lower pit level.

After I made the post about the gold key, I found it and went on to finish the dungeon.
However, I have a mind to go back and find the things I missed.
I cannot remember for certain, but I think I had 37/40 on version 4.0.
I was definitely missing a couple of gor coins, but what sticks in my mind is that I never solved the tomb in the garden above the priests guild and never found any magic mirrors.
If you could give me rough clues for the tomb and the mirrors (I'm not even sure what they are), that would be great.

Oh... and I never found the Sar rune.

Saumun, the tomb is easy. It's something many people do visiting a grave.
About the mirror, I presume you mean

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the big riddle part. If so, check the labyrinth of stairs.

Sar rune: There are two sar runes. One is in

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the mage guild and you must have a certain champion to find it.

You can find the second one checking

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Lord Chaos' prison.