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Ah, solved it, cunning!

Paul, how did you get past the wax Armour - I too managed to kill the giggler, again - a great idea! but i've tried the same logic and a multitude of weapons and spells but no easy way to kill it. I found a blank mirror - so thought maybe this has some part to play, perhaps trap it, but that hasn't worked so far!! Any clues?

I've tried the blank mirror and the Archerman mirror - but no luck... any more clues?

Ther is another

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mirror

, more powerful.

i take the 5th savegame and first i want to play most of the things before entering the tower.
i am stuck now and dont know how to escape at the gaveyard down a pit which i could find the

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"secret key,flambit and the storm ring

Out of interest, how did you open these graves?

You can't escape, there is a message that warns it's a dead end. You must have

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a grapple

to go back.

i think there was a movable grave behond it...i wonder too, cause i know this place from the other side the door only...
dont know why i now could go down

and where i could get

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grapple?

Just before

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the Chaos' prison, inside the tower.

so that means this part could be solved only later?
if i go into the tower i cant get out

Don't worry, you can get out from the tower in 2 ways.

Edit: in 3 ways.
There is a really useful

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spell

that you can use to move, but you need some

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runes

.

hmh...i will take a look at this later.
now im search for how to activate the thief teleporter...i cant remember where it was. (in my own old savegame i solved this)
i want to open the pit in the middle of the room
in order of this i realize ure 5th savegame havent the "kath" rune

... it's true, I've forgotten to pick it up. In this new version the guild teleports lead to different locations, but their position is the same. Remember, you must

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have a craftsman level

to use them.

i have it, i trained my char wile punching the breakable walls in the cave.
if i remember right the pit opens if all the 4 tekeporter have his blue haze..
(at this way i could also go to the beginning...i want to look if i could pit down alexei?a bones there.
and i want to see whats about the fortune of well, and also i want to know where i have to put in the 2 IR keys

I've put 2 ir keys but the lock is one: 1 key is pointless.
The pit opens if you

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use the 4 teleports: it is a secret level.

Edit:
4 ir keys and 2 lightning keys.

I'm in the maze of stairs! Blimey.

Seems quite a bit I have missed, be a good replay.

Paul, what about the

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dark area at the mirror level?

Was it too difficult or frustrating?

The best bit so far! Difficult, but interesting

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and buying a magic map helped. Not sure what to do with the last silver coin, seems to be a treasure room

Good! Without

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the magic map

should be harder: in the 2.0 version you can't buy it before completing the whole level

Hmmm... based on these conversations, I'm not sure I'll start v2 -- it simply sounds way too difficult!

The 2.0 is a more stable version (less items), harder in same points but easier in other ones (more clues, runes, food).

does somebody know for what 2 two "tech eyses" are for?
and how to open the "giant wasp room" at the wizard guilt?

Currently I have the 4 clan keys, found the 5 treasure chambers, 4 1st runes of power (1st tier), all runes of 2nd tier, and the ven and ir runes.
Before entering the tower I still have to explore further unended threads... hints are welcome:
1) house of Hyeronimus: a) "did you see it"? No I didn't. b) The pit with a lever on the other side and a message

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"no magic needed"

c) the bloody dagger
2) The bottom of the well of fortune
3) the 2 graves with a mean specter and a portcullis.
4) find a pickaxe
5) sewers: the portcullis with a rat behind
6) secret level under the

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4 teleporters

: a) find more gor coins b) take the

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firestaff

c) solve the big circle riddle d) find vigor e) open the gate to the nine worlds f) "100 days"
7) the elven panpipe
the bones of the guild members (except Korahn)
9) Thieves guild: "only a guild master can open this lock"
10) Magnifier
11) Eye techs
12) Elektra message
13) EDIT: Isabel (not Elvira) Grave


Lai: is this the room next to the boiler room? when the boiler

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explodes

a fireball should

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destroy

the ra door.

Weird things:
Priest guild
a) I found a 2nd

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VI

rune here, is it normal?
b) I didn't need the

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seeds

to guide the warrior, the

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furniture

was enough.

Wizard guild:
the golem sometimes seemed attracted to the center of the boiler room and ignored me

The Tower:
I can kill the giggler by

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fireballing him and not looking during the impact

, is it the way?

Zyx, here my answers:

1) a) Did you see

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who killed me

? (maybe is there a language error?) b) It's true, you can solve it

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without magic

c) It's the murder weapon, not important
3)

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You need a grapple

(later)
4)

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1) b)

5) The rest of the sewers is accessible

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from the tower

6) a) Everywhere, inside the tower too b)

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solve the circle riddle

c) It's the hardest part of the game d)

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You have half

e) The next chapter
8 ) Not important
10) If you don't have the

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DES rune, can use that to read magic

11) You can

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sell them (the shop is at the second floor of the tower)

2, 7, 9, 12) Later
13) Isabel, not Elvira; she

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plays an important role in the personal life of one of the guild members

I found a 2nd

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VI rune

here, is it normal?

Yes it is. Some players had difficulties to get the rune

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into the well

and, because it's an important rune, I've put 2.

I didn't need the

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seeds

to guide the warrior, the

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furniture

was enough.

Good, you can use the

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seeds

to obtain something else.

the golem sometimes seemed attracted to the center of the boiler room and ignored me

There is a monster attractor: when the boiler

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explodes

the fireballs

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destroy

the ra doors and

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set free

the monsters (you should

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use the barrels

to prevent this);

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the golems (and the wasps) must exit quickly and kill you: it's a trap!

I can kill the giggler by

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fireballing him and not looking during the impact

, is it the way?

It's the way I always use, but the players have found other ways...

Very good Zyx and thanks for your previous post

@ zyx
i am very annoyed cause i dont know what to to before entering the tower.
i have used only

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2 gore coins

, while using one of them a room open with a altar

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with 2 gore coins in it

so
i used all about

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4 gore coins and get the boots of speed

.
1) cant solve it too
b) same... at this place i play ~ one hour? ...cant solve it too
c) same
...
i could only say that i have nothing from this u asked for solved

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firestaff

..dont see it..
in my old own savegame i found the elven panpipe, but not in this one...cant remember where it was

i open the tower without stepping in and put all about 4 or 5 bags/chest full of steaks/drumsticks and all the other things i have.
then i go in (without saving) and have a look at the start of the tower especially the part with this ****ing ghost (hehe) and darkroom.
i do not like darkrooms i now realize


i dont know what to to now, if i could come back nearly and go on in the tower...or first i have to solved out of the tower.
if i go into, should i put up a full party (does somebody found one of the 4 hidden chars??!!)or should i dont do this cause of water/food?
hmh

In 2.0 you can enter without food because in

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the cellar there are cheese, bread, apples and beer

. You'll be able to go out from the tower through

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the cellar and the sewers

, therefore don't worry if have missed something. The gor coins are

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part of a bigger riddle and are spreaded everywhere in the game

.

You'll find the elven panpipe if you inspect

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Korahn's Grave

.
The firestaff: avoid the gaze of a door watcher.

1b) I tried dispelling, zo-ing, going naked, putting furniture in the pit (the cauldron and the table float over the pit, btw), jumping backward, throwing everything over or into the pit, punching the air and the walls, to no avail. I don't know if the message means you must do it without magic or you can, or you need some kind of antimagic.

Adamski: thank you for your help but don't spoil your puzzles by direct answers! Subtle hints are enough, or even a "keep looking!". Let the players find the answers by themselves.



EDIT:spelling

Zyx, one of your actions is correct. You must only consider what is

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above

I have missed a lot of stuff!

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But I have the 4 leaf clover