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yeah because most of those other days it was my turn to be the dumbest person ever.. :P

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My boyfriend started playing and he's already farther than I got my farthest try. It took him two days. I'm so sad.

I'll poke him to join this forum and post away ... he's playing reincarnated Hawk and Gothmog, and so far doing pretty well, but the purple worms have killed him a couple times (but doesn't this happen to all of us? or at least on the first couple tries)

I haven't started playing yet because I've been working on my Halloween costume (Belle, from Beauty and the Beast). If there's ever a DM convention, I'll dress up as one of the girls - in their DM costume and NOT the CSB costumes! (hahaha)
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cow's had a post of his mummy costume somewhere, probably from last year...

yeah, worms are annoying - the trick is don't get bitten! if you do have an anti-posion and heal potion handy (easy to get body damage and poisoning) and try to get behind them...there is the possibility of them gettign bored and slithering away if they can't see you. Alternately just keep going toe to toe then running away until your characters toughen up enough to take them.
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Lol! When DM was new I've been costumed as a mummy on carnival! To bad that I don't have any picture of it anymore. Used up a lot of bandages though. :-)

Speaking of a DM convention: When I've been visiting Gambit and Andyboy and Kaspian/Copperman in UK we came up with the suggestion to have a forum meeting one day, probably in London. Don't know whether it will actually become real, but I would support such a meeting certainly!
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Funny thing... When DM was released I was a young but pretty good arcade and adventure gamer. I remember it cleary that when I have run the DM for the first time I said I will never play it again. 'What an awful game!' - I thought. And you know what - I hated it and but I could not stop thinking about it. Ultimately I started to play it. Now I' m not able to 'hide' from this wonderful game. I play it again and again. It has become such a psychological place for me - a condensation of pretty good experiences and feelings from my childhood and youth. Yeah - I love this game - the greatest game ever made.
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All right, so I'm playing through the game now ... I'm the world's SLOWEST player, so this is going to take forever. Just to warn you. I save all the time, too - I'm afraid of dying horribly.

I don't remember Tiggy being so weak before ... she's got like ... 12 hp or something? That seems just too low. But oh well. So far no one has leveled anything but I've not gone past the first level below HoC yet (I'm working on it, but slooowly). Nothing's given me too much trouble but I need to remember the controls. I'm trying to learn the "dance" that you guys talk about and that I've seen my boyfriend use. I used to just stand there and take a beating while pounding on the enemy - maybe this is why I never got any lower! :lol:

So anyway, my party IS what I said I was going to take, and every person is reincarnated. Wu Tse, Tiggy, Stamm, and Mophus. Because I'll probably forget and start using the names I've given them, here is what they've been renamed (I am reusing the character names that my sister and I made our dad take his first time through the game. so some of them are really stupid, because I was really little and I'm bad at names):
Wu Tse Daughter of Heaven
Tiggy Tamali
Stan L--- (Stamm is named after my dad, whose name is Stan)
Jeffrey Mr. America (Mophus. I thought his sash looked like a flag)

I'll probably be able to remember to use the name Stamm, and the girls' names didn't really change, but I will probably slip up and call Mophus "Jeffrey" - just so you know, if I accidentally say that, who I'm talking about.

Anyway, I am home sick today and probably will be tomorrow, too, so expect SOME progress from me! I CAN DO IT! (probably not, but)... also, as of right now I'm not using a map. This is potentially a bad thing but so far I've been okay. I'll probably chicken out and use maps starting in another level or two.

Hey, would you guys find it interesting if I wrote out my adventure through the game as a "story" with characters? I'm a writer and I enjoy making things into stories (and all the characters will wind up with personalities), but it would inevitably be very, very silly.
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If you have a forum meeting in London I probably can't go. Maybe we can schedule a different one for those of us in America, though I think we're in the minority. I love how varied the people on this forum are! I just can't get over how cool it is ... hearing from people from France, Scotland, Germany, Australia ... everywhere!
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'Dancing' - Sometimes you need to just stand and take it , plus you can get experience just for being whacked about. The trick is to know roughly what damage your party will receive (for example, a rock monster tends to knock 40 - 50hp at worst from you, plus you could be poisoned) so you can take a hit, then back away to heal or dance. Usually if you have the space dance, but trapping monsters under doors or in confined spaces, it's also good to know the limits of how much you can stand and take.

And yes, write your adventure! There's actually a cmpetition (though no one's entered yet) for one of the other dungeosn to write a tale of the jounrey. I think everyone assigns characters and imagines discussiosn anyway, be fun to hear one!
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MONSTERS CAN STEP THROUGH TELEPORTERS?

So, we made it to "step inside, take a ride" and started fighting a mummy right outside. Well, poor Jeffrey took one hit and was near-death, so we jumped into the teleporter and rested up, practicing spells and skills and stuff. Took a single step forward, and bam! Wu Tse took 14 damage? That doesn't happen from walking into a wall ... turn around and there's a mummy right there. I didn't know he could follow me. I guess he couldn't while I was standing in the square you teleport to, but ... ouch! At least I toasted him.

Wu Tse's leveled once in ninja and wizard. No one else has leveled at all, but Tiggy can cast level two light. I'm going to see if I can't get her tossing fireballs (when you use "calm" on a wand, that's wizard experience, right?) The boys are in the front row, hacking, but Wu Tse has more health than Jeffrey at the moment and I'm almost thinking I should switch the two of them around, since he took such a nasty hit from a single mummy and there's no sign of leveling any time soon.

Is it really sad that I had my first near-death experience on a single mummy on this level? The two-groups-of-three screamers earlier gave me a bit of trouble, but not as much... but I won't be discouraged. After all, I didn't actually die, did I?

Back to see if I can get to the bottom of this level today.

We'll see how the story-writing goes. I found myself trying to think about it and that distracted me from playing. I may pick it up in a level or two when I know my team's "personalities" a little better :lol:
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monsters can step through certain teleporters, yup - the mummy was actually in limbo until you moved from the teleporter square

and no, mummies are scary, to start with mummies inflict nasty damage. later you can laugh them off, but at around 40 damage a hit, its enough to give most people a nasty headache

i think calm is actually a priest ability...but priest levels are also good, gives you more mana to feed into your wizard levels. You will find that when you reach the magic number 40 with mana, it regenerates at 2 points restoration instead of one - so if you can just level up tiggy with some quick priest levels, you will have more mana faster to get some good fireballs going
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Hmmm, Tiggy should not have just 12 hit points. When DM rules is not on she has 12, and when it is on she has 24 or 25. You can select DM rules from misc. at the screen where you chose prison or resume. You may want to start again as all you characters will have decreased stats....but this is really only a problem at the start of the game and later on a 12 point difference won't matter when you have 500 hit points.

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Uh oh! Oh, that's no good. That means I probably ought to start over, since I'm not too far into the dungeon ... odd, I didn't know you had to do this. Probably because I don't read closely enough? Anyway, this means that BFS's group also had lower stats starting off. He's fast enough to be able to make it with those stats, but I really don't think I can do it like that. Have to start aaaaall over :? ... but at least I'm not finished with even a single floor yet.
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BTW, is this the famed Antman who ran through CSB in something like 30 minutes? If so, you have my respect, sir :lol:
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that he is, that he is

alos impressive is his confluxII minimal moves records
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Beowuff, what's your advice? Should I start over, seeing as I'm a fairly unskilled player who might need the extra stats?

I guess I can just see how fast I can get back to where I am now ...
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i'd start over, you have lost both the big three stats and your other sttributes like strength, etc. You don't actually gain more than a point or two each level up of those, so having them halved is quite evil!

You will be amazed how quickly you can get back through the start of level two now you know it
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Actually, this is one of the few levels I vaguely remembered ... but remembered incorrectly! Ah well. Back to the dungeon doors!

I have to turn DM rules on BEFORE starting a new game. Is this right?
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yes, that's right
good luck! again!
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CSB in 30 minutes? Got it down to 10 minutes 37 seconds, and i am sure CSB under 10 minutes is possible....Anyway, good luck!
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Ahh, I only actually saw the videos through when you were paring down to half an hour (I haven't seen the most recent ones). That's superhuman - are you sure you're only mortal?

So far so good. I am tearing through the screamers and finding that I can cast so many more spells. Were all my stats halved?
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that evolves in time, you step each game a little bit faster. i sometimes play at about the same speed, but i dislike the concept of speedruns.
the intuitive interface of dm/csb helps of course very much :)
you will get into it if you like to. once the monsters have lost their fright, you will start optimizing several things or handycapping yourself the one or other way.
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And we've descended to Choose Your Door! This is very exciting. I went around throwing myself against walls in that long hallway before you get to the arena area, because I thought I remembered there being a hidden passageway there ... oops. Tried casting see-through-walls but we're not priestly enough. Maybe I'll try that later, but it's probably not worth it.

I've turned it off for the night (no, really, BFS is over and he is itching to play! so I told him he could play once I got to the next floor) and I'm trying to come up with my strategy. Which door first? I tend to start on the left and just go through like that (I think you wind up with Creature Cavern last that way, which is the way I like it!) though I don't remember if it actually works that way or if that's just how I tried. It's easier to do the Matrix once you've gotten the compass, so I'm trying to remember which door leads to the compass. Agh! I'll figure it out.

Once I get done with this floor, I'll be about as far as I've ever gotten. I CAN beat my old record. I'm just so proud of myself for doing that past floor without a map. I've never done that before. I know it's the easiest floor in the whole dungeon, but that's still an accomplishment. I'm really wussy so I've had to wean myself off from relying on the maps...
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Poor Jeffrey/Mophus ... everyone else is a novice at something, but not him. Stamm's only good at fighting (he'll punch things once I'm no longer so afraid of dying from mummies, but right now I rely on his chop) but at least he's really good at that. I find that I just toss stuff around, play with my magic, slash at the air and don't necessarily level ... but then when I fight a monster, I level all over the place because my people are relatively close to levels thanks to all that practicing! I don't think I'm wasting too much time or food practicing, either. BFS says I have to make it to the next floor in order to have regenerating food, because I think the regen worms are down there? Or is it another floor below that? I guess I'll find out when I get there.

Nothing is as satisfying as working really hard and having some exciting battles and suddenly seeing those bright colored level announcements!
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if you touch the wall with an open hand about 1/3 of the way down, you will here a 'thump' sound. If it is a fake wall, you won't. Saved your party many headaches!

In my head i've labelled the rooms hardest to easiest and tend to do them in that order, so matrix is last since it has no critters.

oh, and you gain more experience in combat than out of it, so that's also why you will notice levels coming more iwhen fighting!
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People writing up story forms of their adventures could be a lot of fun... I might get in on that. Plus it would be a good reason to play a four character group, a change which I think would have quite an impact on my playing style. No more spell dodging, for one thing. :(
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i guess you are the first to start with less than 4 dudes ;)
did you read tony's story about completing csb? very readable, since the game was solved in a very flawless way, he added some nice pics and writes very good :)
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Hi Selie
The Story of your Journey brings back some nice memories. I'm eager to read what fate has in mind for your trustworthy adventurers. Will they track down the compass before getting lost in the Matrix..will Jeffrey/Mophus find his true profession....will perhaps Stamm fall in love with Tiggy's wisdom and the taste of her ya-potions and will give her presents of jewellery to win her heart?
I sense the ambition in this group is high....and there's a dungeon full of treasures waiting...

Greetings from the other side of the pond!
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"My shoulders still hurt," whined Jeffrey as they sat around a campfire Stamm had made by breaking up a few torches. "I don't know why you were thinking we could pass through those walls."

"Something about it looked odd," said Tiggy. "A little experimentation proved me wrong, of course, but it was worth trying. Can you imagine how helpful a secret passageway might have been? It might have led us to a better rest place."

"Or into the middle of a trap." Stamm didn't speak very often, but when he did, his thinking was clear and the rest of the group listened.

"I don't see what's wrong with this camp," said Wu Tse. She had seated herself across from an old wooden chest and was using it for target practice. "We looked all around and the only way that isn't barred by a door is up the staircase we came from. We're safe."

"Unless a monster opens one of the doors." Tiggy shivered. "Fortunately, they aren't very intelligent. It shouldn't be a danger."

THUD. Wu Tse's throwing knife landed solidly in the wood of the old chest. Jeffrey jumped. "Wootsy! Stop that! You'll give me a heart attack."

"I'm just practicing," she said, smiling. "Speaking of, you might want to hone your skills a bit too, since we're resting anyway. Here." She pulled a glass flask from her potion and tossed it to him effortlessly. His catch was far less graceful; he stood up to reach for it, missed, and ended up skidding along the dirty floor in order to save it from the ground.

Wincing, he stood up and brushed the extra dirt off of his already dungeon-stained clothing. "You should be more careful. What if it had broken? We'd be down one flask and have to worry about glass shards every time we passed through here. Which will probably be often, if we have to come back to center after each one of those rooms."

"If you weren't so clumsy..."

Stamm interrupted them. "We can sleep solidly for eight hours out here. After we wake up we'll have to pick a room."

"I think we should start with 'Time is of the Essence,'" said Wu Tse.

"We're not all as fast as you are," said Jeffrey, frowning at her. "No, I think we'd be better off going into 'Room of the Gem.' It doesn't sound too bad."

"'The Matrix' sounds like a puzzle," said Tiggy, "and that would probably be a safe start."

They all looked at Stamm, who slowly shook his head. "No," he said. "I think we should pick the one with the most obvious name. The rest of them probably all have tricks. Let's start with 'Creature Cavern.'"

Jeffrey shuddered. "If you say so." He removed his scabbard from his waist and put it on the floor, laying down next to it so he could grab it if the group was attacked while he slept. "Hopefully there won't be any more mummies. I hate those things." He still had painful memories of being pounded within an inch of his life by those bandaged terrors.

"Don't worry," said Tiggy with a wicked smile. "They're flammable." She winked at Wu Tse, who smiled back. "We've figured out how to throw fireballs. With those on our side, we'll protect you from any mummies we come across."

"Go to sleep," Stamm said. "I'll keep first watch. Wu Tse will take second."

"All right," said Wu Tse, laying down and placing her backpack under her head for a pillow. She smelled the faintly sweet stench of screamer slices as she drifted off to sleep.

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There, is that okay? I don't know if there's a size limit to posts. And I don't know if anyone wants to actually read the story-version of my games. Anyway, I haven't had a chance to play today (I've been sleeping under the influence of Nyquil all day) but I'm going to take the advice to start with Creature Cavern. Might as well buff up a little, and I'm going to have to face rock piles anyway, so I might as well get it over with and fight everything in there.
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It's great! :) Don't worry about size limits..i'm sure you gonna throw small rocks and poison darts at it, if it comes near you within 10 feet.

Sorry to hear about the disease you have to fight with instead of roaming deeper into the dungeon...
How about asking your bf to slip you some high powered vi-bro potions to get rid of that thing? ...i mean what's with he having all these priest levels... :P
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That's a good start to the story! Not sure about size limits, but if you put it into a text file I'm sure someone can host it and post a link for you, we all have webspace

Feel free to start a new story thread if you like!
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