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I have to agree with Zed about the scroll -- it's very strange that

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the dart only falls out when you throw it

. It would make more sense, and be less confusing to the player,

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if the dart falls out as soon as you read it

. I don't see the need for making two puzzles out of one item, especially as many players simply

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won't throw the scroll

. It took me ages to do this first room!

Jan wrote:ROFL! That's the second most ridiculous spoiler-free discussion I've ever seen!

And I'm really very sad that I don't have time to play this game.

what are u talking about? my questions?
hmh

You have to admit, it is funny just to see black lines

Perhaps we need a spoiler free and spoilerific thread, given the amount of discussion and hints being thrown around.

Lai wrote:what are u talking about? my questions? hmh

Don't take it personally, and don't take it seriously, I was just joking. I just had to laugh when I saw a page full of black spoiler lines.

PS Technically, I think it's better to hide only the words or sequences that are true spoilers, and leave the rest of the text legible, so that a reader knows what the post is about but the solution is hidden; but I don't want to bring this OT, so ignore my opinion, it's just a detail.

ok

i now have solved the rainstaff riddle i think and found the book too.
the thing i dont understand are, if the seeds have to placed at special location..

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i get a horn of fear at the alcove, i get the rune. the fire-monster are dead, but i dont realize how to open the door to the crypt

im now at hieronymus house and have magic light
im sure that i have reading where his corps want to be (

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and think it was at home

)..but i cant remember anymore and do not know, where i have read this scroll.
in his house at some places tells me

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did u see anything?

...and so i

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make magic light and this places but nothing happens. i also try to let the fireplace burn (not the generator who activatet the light-rune) with magical light and candles too. i also find the "bloody dagger" and one donwstairs another stairsdown, with a pit between me and downstairs and a leaver with the shield "..." hmh

Lai, I think you are spoiling too much in this thread: it is not necessary revealing the way you have solved the riddles. How you can read, I don't give you any solution but only little clues. Maybe it's better open another thread for the spoiler discussions. I must ask the moderators if possible. Anyway, explore other places using your new magic power and new items. The main riddles have a lot of hints, those secondary have less.
Gambit, no misunderstanding. I've created this game for the players and for their fun. Making the dungeon I realize my ideas thinking like a player, but any player is different. I know you opinion about, I need to read all the players opinions to draw a conclusion.

i thought even this is what spoiling are for...
i think some things are hard for me but easy for others...and otherwise.
i dont know why no other ask questions, maybe their all more genius then me
and its a lot of fun for me to get deeper, and yes, if i have at one point absolutely no idea i switch to another,while a play another i hope somebody
ask his own question which maybe i cant answer or answer my little one.
now im at thief guild cause i dont know how to go deeper @ wizard guild, and at the

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alarm level are much to explore. one of those guards are killable, i think the other arent cause he was hit by door while sleeping about many many times.

Lai, did you kill

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the guards?

I've never tried because is

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unhelpful

and don't know if it's possible at your level. Surely it's the hardest and frustrating way to "solve" the level. In this game killing everything is moving not always is a good choice:

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you may lose a big help...

Hi Adamski, really enjoying the challenges - Not sure if i'm doing things round the right way, but enjoying things none the less! Couple of questions (playing version 1.0)

1. In the cemetary, when i enter the pit with the ghosts and the secret key, I'm stuck - I can't see anyway out. I'm still missing a lot of runes, but managed to get the vorpal blade to do away with the monsters... but still, this didn't help. Is there a way out? Can the door be opened somehow? I don't have the Zo Rune.

2. When I'm trying to do the Thiefs guild - I can't even enter the dungeon. I know a giggler appeared the first time i went there - but he no longer appears and I'm really not sure what to do! I also notice on the guilds trials that for one of the tests i need to "lock pick" - but I don't have a lock pick and not sure what to do - any "hints" would be appreciated.

So far I have the Priests and Fighters guild pieces, I've emptied the wizards guild of monsters (that i can find) but not able to do the end bits as i think i'm still missing runes. I foolishly used up the staff i found and i cant find the Zo rune anywhere - could you point me into roughly the right direction.

Thanks

1 The vorpal blade is very very far... you can have only

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inside the tower, the highest runes too

Try to move around the non-material enemies.
2 Don't mind the giggler, for lockpicking use

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something has an appropriate shape and a certain size (there are at least 2 things)

3 It's strange, in the wizard guild there is a particular situation

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where you are trapped without the zo rune: you must search it in this place.

If for 3. you mean the end of the corridor with the fireballs and closing door? well I

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pressed the light to open the secret door, I got beat the two golems and there is a scroll there which tells me what Zo will open doors - but no rune :S

And how did you escape?

I didn't - I couldn't! as i dont have the rune... so i killed myself with a fireball and re-started without entering that room! Got the theives guild piece now too - thanks So any more clues on where that zo rune is?!? The only other routes left in the wizards guild are the two downstairs (which i can't open/get through the gates) and one upstairs (I can see screamer round the corner but can't get to it!)

Also - If you go to the main guild room, into the "Wizard" zone you are stuck again if you kill the stone golem! I killed him, activated the lever - I'm now stuck in the corridor (re-load!)

Adamski wrote:Lai, did you kill

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the guards?

I've never tried because is

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unhelpful

and don't know if it's possible at your level. Surely it's the hardest and frustrating way to "solve" the level. In this game killing everything is moving not always is a good choice:

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you may lose a big help...

hmh...i cannot know if it unhelpful or not... hehe

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if i remember right, there are 5 guards. 2 from start and three and the special cell.

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i killt one of those 2 from start, the other i traped with the table.

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one of the three i traped at the small room with door,lockpits and stairs up. cause i want to take a look at the level i kill one, and trap the other.

until i read those words from u i thought its good to kill what i could kill.
more frustrating was for me the 4 lamps - riddle cause i dont like speed playing...but this is my own problem and after many many many try and fails i understand how it could be solved for ME and get it

money wrote:I didn't - I couldn't! as i dont have the rune... so i killed myself with a fireball and re-started without entering that room! Got the theives guild piece now too - thanks So any more clues on where that zo rune is?!? The only other routes left in the wizards guild are the two downstairs (which i can't open/get through the gates) and one upstairs (I can see screamer round the corner but can't get to it!)

Also - If you go to the main guild room, into the "Wizard" zone you are stuck again if you kill the stone golem! I killed him, activated the lever - I'm now stuck in the corridor (re-load!)

like adamski told u...take a good look

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at the place u found the scroll. there are not realy much to to, so u should handle it

at wizard level with the "monster generator"...

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ill kill all monsters around here...yes, i did it again..hehe but i think i have to.ok,

the generator are in

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poison cloud if throw something at it. the cloud would biger if enough are thrown, i think thats why the generatet monsters let a copper coin back.

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this works from all 4 sides, but i dont know what now to to..havent any clue.

I am in the Heironymus house but can't see what to do - where is the spell book?

i cant remember exactly where the spellbook are, but

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i 100% know that u will find the light rune here. sorry that i couldnt help better.

Cheers, got that rune.

if u dont have the spellbook yet,

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u maybe dont realize that it have to be activatet

How?

Thanks money, you've found an unexpected dead end: if you arrive in the mage guild through the teleport, kill the golem and use the lever you are trapped. I must correct (in version 1.2).
Is the zo rune so hard? On the scroll which you find you can read:

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"zo, open-close door"; it's what you have to do...

Lai, maybe the boiler riddle is too difficult ... look around you in that room; I don't remeber if in version 1.0 it appears the written

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"I'm watching you" continuously

. There is something

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appears and disappears randomly on the walls in every side

of the room. If you have opened the door upstair (the second one you meet, protected by the eye in the corridor), you are on the right track.

edit: Lai, you have the 1.1.1, I didn't remember...
but I don't understand how you created the poison cloud: have you destroyed the boiler? how?

Spellbook?!!!

Paul, the spellbook is

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at the graveyard inside Azel's tomb (where you find many mummies)

; I think you (Paul, Lai and money) have missed something useful at Hieronymus' house: explore every corner,

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also the backyard.

Paul, if you wait 1 day the version 1.2 will be released (I hope tomorrow), but firstly I have to correct some errors, like the golem pit, and want to understand the boiler issue told by Lai.

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With the well

you can do everything is logical...

Lai, I saw the poison cloud inside the boiler: it is an unwanted effect, but is funny. It is not the solution to the problem.

Will this version not work at some point then?

No, this version works perfectly, but I want to correct something. It was only a suggestion, if you wait will have a better version.