Towers of Chaos (old discussion thread)

Post by **Gambit37** » Sun May 02, 2004 12:06 pm

Had a quick play of this, but I can't get on with it... the wall graphics just don't work in my opinion becuse there's no alternate view for one side -- you've just copied, mirrored and flipped it. This makes it very unnerving walking about because it doesn't look like you're moving anywhere..

Perhaps you can consider drawing the other side slightly differently?

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Sun May 02, 2004 3:43 pm

The floor pattern still alternates though, so you get some movement feel...

Post by **PaulH** » Sun May 02, 2004 11:01 pm

As I said, it is very much experimental - I did have different graphics on the other side, but as you said yourself it is difficult to get things to line up when you are a novice. It was certainly harder than 'just copied, mirrored and flipped'!

I suggest you revert back to the old graphics.dat if you want to play the dungeon, but I will certainly try to develop the dat file further at some point. Any artistic genii out there willing to lend a hand? My artistic skills go as far as MS Paint...

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Mon May 03, 2004 10:15 am

Are there any of the puzzles that suffer from the revert t othe old graphics?
I know the 'give to the church' might not make sense if you can't see the cross (it's in the centre 'alcovo' square of the first room).
Do the gems match up alright?

Post by **PaulH** » Mon May 03, 2004 4:29 pm

There are two custom graphics files available: the second file has slightly altered monster graphics and the wall/floor tiles. Either will work fine, but I would not use the original CSB graphics file as (though playable) might not make sense.

iUSTINE · Post by **iUSTINE** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:05 am

Hello,

nice dungeon but few months ago I gave it up. It's quite hard, I got lost in the maze and could not find more food. But now I'm starting again, this time I am trying to save food as much as it is possible, and - what's more important for me - finally I' ve just opened my way to new 'woody' location.

So - stay tuned, I will accomplish this dungeon this time

Post by **PaulH** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:08 am

Well you have a long way to go, I hope you finish it! Food has been a problem in this dungeon. Things step up a gear once you go up the 'towers'.
BTW the 1st graphics.dat I produced, and not the experimental walls one would be best for the version of this game for CSBWin

Antman · Post by **Antman** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:34 am

Hey,

Just started playing my game of this again. I think i had got quite far but the next item i needed i think i had left way back near the start, i'm at the asphyxiation place. Wish me luck!

Antman · Post by **Antman** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:59 am

Ok, went on a mission and now i've completed that puzzle, if only i could figure out what it did....

iUSTINE · Post by **iUSTINE** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:14 am

Paul,
is it a bug or do I play an older (bugged) version of TOCH under CSB? The second 'Skeleton Key' -when it is inserted into keyhole that had been opened before (in my case it was a right keyhole) the key dissappear and the door remains closed. Of course I loaded the game immediately and picked the left keyhole. But isn't it a bug ?

Post by **PaulH** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:38 pm

Hi Antman, thinks are about to get interesting...

iUSTINE... I think you have the right version. I just checked the latest version using CSBEdit, and indeed the skeleton key locks will eat the things 'til the end of time? A bug?! I could say it was a test of memory, but in reality I forgot to tick the 'once only' option!

Also please note if you have read the review from PitD in the link that Zyx gave, and his comments, they refer to the original DMPC version. A lot of issues have been fixed for CSBWin

iUSTINE · Post by **iUSTINE** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:58 pm

ARRRGH !!!

Food, give me food. I'm starting again only with 2 heroes. I am really angry - the only thing that I can't manage with in this dungeon is the food. A very frustrating dungeon - a time chase. But - I was playing with 'DM Rules' turned off ? Does it mean anything to my food problem ? I am in 1/4 of game and I didn't find any massive source of food and the dungeon is quite linear. Arrgh !!

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:59 pm

odd, i remember the start there was a foos issue, but i also don't remember it being a problem later in the dungeon

just perseverse with stamina potions stamina potions and more stamina potions

Post by **PaulH** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:07 pm

If you have reincarnated your characters, and have DM rules turned off, it would be a lot more difficult...hence you would sleep more and food would drain quick.
Maybe I'll release a slightly amended version with a) more food and b) DM rules flagged in the dungeon.dat.

iUSTINE · Post by **iUSTINE** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:08 pm

Well, I opened my way to the first Tower (afair opened with green stone) and wonder for a couple of hours. I don't even sleep, but the level of food goes down very, very quickly (for example - my heroe is hungy (yellow stripe) - I give him cheese (5 minutes later it is red again, 15 minutes later he's dying). And I have 4 champions! I can manage with riddles .monster etc but there is no more food on my way nor behind me - stamina potions are no use for me cos heroes are dying.
And this is no real fun

Post by **PaulH** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:10 pm

That does seem very quick. Which version of CSBWin are you using?

iUSTINE · Post by **iUSTINE** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:13 pm

Well, I ressurected them. It's strange, isn't it ? I played quite many dungeons but never had such big problem with food. I am starting a game with DM rules turned on, with 2 hereos.

iUSTINE · Post by **iUSTINE** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:16 pm

CSB 9.6v4. You know I fight a lot, make potions a lot etc, but the food level goes down for me to quickly. Isn't there any massive source of food ?

Post by **PaulH** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:20 pm

Does the food level seem to go down quicker compared to other dungeons? I have not altered anything to do this. There is no 'massive' source of food, but more a random spread though I admit maybe it needs more. Can you send me your old save game?
supersonic525@aol.com

iUSTINE · Post by **iUSTINE** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:25 pm

It looks for me that the food level goes quicker than in other dungeons I have played. The only thing that comes to my mind is: I fight a lot, quite often I fight and move with low level of stamina, so with low level of stamina the consumption of food is larger. Is there such a game mechanism ?

Post by **PaulH** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:29 pm

Strange. Have a look at this thread:

http://www.dungeon-master.com/forum/vie ... hp?t=23940

I know that some releases of DM or CSBWIn (maybe Mr Stevens can update me) had food that seemed to drain quicker. Characters certainly vary.
Are you running the game in 'normal' speed?

The 1st time I ever played the original DM I died from lack of food in 'the cavern'. Then I restarted, obviously knew the answers to the puzzles and had no problems then due to the saved time. Never though to go to the 'screamer room' mind, but I was only eight years old!

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:52 pm

As long as your water isn't in the yellow/red aswell, you shouldn't die from lack of food - constant streams of stamina potions during dry spells should be able to help

not sure about the mechanisms though...

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:30 pm

just started ToC from where i left off...passed the 'feed it' pit, and am now passed the mirror parts
quite confusing, but getting the hang of it. so many critters!

i'm starting to remember the food situation a bit better now - it is usually a feast or famine. maybe it's my character choice, but i am finding the food depletign fast too. water, however, doesn't go down so fast, so complete starvation is never a worry.

Post by **PaulH** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:34 pm

Just need to know where the monster regeneration pads are. Food? I think I was generous earlier and left a worm generator hehe! What characters have you got?

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:49 pm

yes, i don't really know where they are except for the first one, and i explore thoroughly to tap walls - so you can imagine the fun i'm having fending off *****s, ******s, ***** *********s and *********s every two seconds! at the moment i seem to be beside some monster blocker spliting of a section from another section - i seem to have a whole fanclub waiting for me! still a door or two, one protected by fireballs, that i haven't opened yet - but i think i'm working out the level, so hopefully it will all come good! Also lookign for a key, unless an unfortunate random wall decoration placed a keyhole in a 2x2 room

characters - a ressurected halk, then i think i took normal stamm, wuuf and boris - my standard party
didn't spot the worm generator, but i have a huge amount of b***** legs from earlier to keep me going. dumped most of my stuff to carry them, so if i'm close-ish to the end i don't forsee a problem with food

iUSTINE · Post by **iUSTINE** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:49 pm

Exactly, as long as the water level is blue, the food level can goes to minimum but heroes still live. But of course they need a 'flood' of stamina potions.

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:50 pm

yup - not saying it's pleasant, but i've survived a few dungeons on stamina potions
the lack of water and food...that is when you knwo a dungeon has gone wrong...very, very painful way to play!

Post by **PaulH** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:58 pm

I think a TOC version with more food is definately needed going on the comments. I shall see to this. But rest assured, in my new dungeon this will be less of a problem. I hate running out of food too, but hey, I can finish DM with just a couple of screamer slices

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Beo, if you are ducking upstairs for a crafty kip, you'll just regenerates them monsters!

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:10 am

i had to do that to start with, since i was immeditely surrounded, but i'm based in the level now. and i don't think my characters have slept in many many levels..they are hyped up on adreneline - got enough mana and potions to keep health topped up between battles! am i right in thinking there is an elemental generator trigger beside that monster blocker?

Post by **PaulH** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:14 am

Monster blocker? Where do you mean?