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Hello eveyone

Reading one other thread i saw the stats of a developped CSB hero and its stats where much Higher than My Dm Chars who had higher profession levels !

Does it mean that CSB characters have a stronger base than DM ones ? That they will get stronger towards the end of CSB than DM characters ?

Thanks !

I always assumed that the CSB characters would start off lower than those imported from the DM dungeon - BUT. It might not be the case for many of the hard core players as they get through the first dungeon with the least amount of 'friction' possible

Yes but what I mean is :

Are CSB Characters with the same levels better than DM ones ?

Ahh got you, I didn't read it properly - you're talking about their statistics relative to the same skill levels to characters in DM original.

you can use RTC or csbwin etc...
I think you refer to lunever, which uses RTC

ayway, you can reincarnate and ressurrect.
this determines the outcome of the stats of your dm champions

let's say you reincarnated DM champions

(with dm rules when using csbwin) and train them to reach
CSB champions' stats and level as they are in their mirrors
(around adept, --> ressurrected, so no change to stats ).

I would say then as an average the dm ones would be
the better spellcasters because of higher wisdom
but will have less mana!

they will be worse fighters because less specialised..
(best fighters most strength and hps would be csb,
but not sure whether daroou (starts at 100) or
hissssa (strength of 58 ) would be on par with csb skelar or sting)

so all in all dm champions on the level of csb champions will be
more allrounders
(about 40 to 55 (65) in all STR DEX WIS VIT A-M A-F)

with slightly more health,
definitely more stamina however much less
mana than the CSB counterparts.
(if you take the maximum of Csb I think)

Plus dm ones will have items.

So If you do just ressurrect the dm ones they will be worse off.

We should test the best fighters and compare and the "best spell" casters and compare as well.
Who should be choose?
(the secret champions are very good)
or highest stats (here would come in the dmcodex handy) and compare
(buzzzzz vs. wuuf vs. plague vs. tiggy tamal)

I once did a list of stats of all reincarnated csb champions, but I do not find it anymore. (amiga 500 tested)

They all had more starting stats than dm characters,
skelar had starting health of 112 and mana I think 16?
buzzzzz had mana of 40 !!

well... sorry for this long post!!!

Way too complicated for this question. It's simple, as Ian Scho says:

CSB characters had higher statistics but lower relative skills than in DM.

For example, you can create a character with these stats:

Health: 50
Stamina: 50
Mana: 25
Strength: 40
Dexterity: 40
Vitality: 40
Wisdom: 40
Anti-Magic: 40
Anti-Fire: 40

Now, you could give this character whatever skill levels you like. Either no skills or Archmaster or anything in between.

Which skill levels do you think will allow you to develop your characters further and quicker?

It all depends on what you call "stronger". If you import characters from a finished DM game, they will usually have some more levels, more HP and more mana than the CSB characters have at the start.
If you reincarnate a CSB character, his/her HP, stamina and mana will drop drastically - but he/she will still have higher values than starting DM characters. So if you bring that character to high levels, those three values will be very high, like my 650 HP, 999 stamina, 300 mana Petal (I assume you read my thread?)

Best I achieved so far was with characters from RTC-CSB V0.38: Lor, Kazai, Buzzzz and Petal, all Archmaster Ninja and Priest, Mon-Master to Archmaster Wizard and On-Master to Mon-Master fighters. All have 999 health&stamina, 580 to 680 Mana, and stats between 60 and 120.

But then, in RTC V0.38 the reincarnation stat decrease was less significant than in later releases.