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I intend to use this thread to keep track of which champions I've completed Dungeon Master and Chaos Strikes Back with solo.

Continued from this thread: viewtopic.php?t=31572

Completed:
Halk
Tiggy

Next up:
Hissssa

Good luck on the Hissssa run, RogerS!


--Jay

jayrshaw wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:44 am Good luck on the Hissssa run, RogerS!


--Jay

Thank you Jay

At the end of the worm level.

I suppose since you've already done Tiggy, everyone else is gonna seem pretty easy .

Easier in some regards at least

The biggest challenge with the low mana and wisdom types is getting their magic capabilities up to an acceptable level. It's a slower grind in the beginning, and the low base wisdom means either having to quaff Dain potions twice as often to keep wisdom in an optimal range, or accept having the wisdom score in a sub-optimal range.

I'll probably pick up the Crown Of Nerra instead of Flamebain for this character.

My usual run is (reincarnated) Hissssa and Wuuf. Hissssa starts with just enough mana to cast Lo, then after a rest, add Ful to it. So once I go down the stairs to Level Two, I stand there in the dark and refuse to move until the two of them have got the light level maxed between them. It's not so bad getting the Wizzy/Priest levels up enough to have the mana for regular spellcasting, especially since I only have two characters so all the work (and exp) is being split between just the two of them, rather than a full four. I don't think I could be arsed with someone who started with less mana, 'cause then I'd have to faff with swapping mana-granting items in their hand till they could actually cast "by themselves". And I can never be arsed with any of the potions for that kind of thing - I just mane health potions and cure poison ones as needed - both my characters just have a flask in their off-hand at all times so I can cast that stuff when I need to .

DM completed.

Wow - you're tearing right through these runs, RogerS!


--Jay

Thank you Jay

King of the Munchers, munching through the game, munch, munch, munch, om nom nom >:D.

I know I keep saying it - well at least in the past - but Stamm is my favourite solo character. I think he still holds the solo speed record! The axe early on is a huge bonus I find.

Leif is another favourite. I don't tend to go for the weaker spell casters, but I might try again just to see.

Ameena wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2023 7:00 pm King of the Munchers, munching through the game, munch, munch, munch, om nom nom >:D.

With my abuse of stat boosting potions, maybe I should be called king of the munchkins instead (if you know what a "munchkin" is in tabletop RPGs)?

PaulH wrote: Fri Jun 23, 2023 7:25 pm I know I keep saying it - well at least in the past - but Stamm is my favourite solo character. I think he still holds the solo speed record! The axe early on is a huge bonus I find.

Leif is another favourite. I don't tend to go for the weaker spell casters, but I might try again just to see.

Stamm certainly has good stats, and great stamina. The only downside is his mana.

One of the best champions for sure.

The Munchkin Muncher...that is, a munchkin who is also a muncher, not someone who munches munchkins. And now I've done that thing where I used a word too much in a short space of time so it no longer looks like a real word (munch) .

I just picked up the Ku and Ros corbums.

Afterwards, I also found Diamond Edge in the hidden niche in Supplies for the Quick

CSB completed

I've started a run with Gando now.

Completed (3/24):
Halk
Tiggy
Hissssa

Current run:
Gando

Next in line:
Zed
Wuuf

Good luck, RogerS - if you keep this up, you'll have the entire dungeon memorized in no time!


--Jay

jayrshaw wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 3:24 am Good luck, RogerS - if you keep this up, you'll have the entire dungeon memorized in no time!


--Jay

Thank you Jay

DM done.

Hey RogerS,

Does using different Champions make the runs feel somewhat different to you? My inclination is to think that once you've managed to train your characters a bit that they tend to have somewhat similar capabilities - however, looking at Gando's 56 base Strength and 39 base Vitality in your latest run, I can see how going with a stronger Champion might have felt a bit different......


--Jay

The runs tend to get kind of the similar. I did set out to see how many different DM champions I could solo the game with though.

The most noticeable difference is between champions with low wisdom/mana and high strength and champions with low strength and high wisdom/mana.

I feel the high mana champions might overall be a bit easier, since it's easier to get their casting capabilities up to a level where they've got enough mana to keep up the buffs and have some spare mana left over for other spells.

Maybe you could try adding in some other challenges too, like "no spellcasting" (except essentials, like that one Zokathra, or that bit early on where you have to open a door), or "only use a dagger", or whatever. Might change things up a bit for you?

I'm fine with the challenge of only playing one champion at a time. I definitely don't feel like doing a no spellcasting run, it would feel suboptimal to not take advantage of all the options available in the game to conquer the dungeon.

If it starts feeling like a chore and stops being fun, I'll take a break.

A "no spellcasting" run would definitely be brutal, although definitely possible if you're willing to resort to some of the tactics the speedrunners in this forum typically use....


--Jay

I'm halfway through CSB, but decided to take a break and haven't played since Friday.

I'm thinking for my next run maybe I'll use RTC. I tried it in Wine, and it works fine except for a 10+ second delay before the GG splash screen pops up at launch (I don't remember if that was also the case when running it in Windows). I did complete DM and CSB in RTC with a party consisting of Syra and Nabi in September 2021 (picking up from where I had left them at DM level 5 in March 2021).

I have just had a go at "No spellcasting" with a reincarnated Hissssa in CSBWin. Tactics usually involved isolating certain monsters and using the Vorpal Blade on non-materials. The worms were pretty tough then the Couatls even worse but after that, he was powerful enough to withstand several attacks. He gained the priest levels through war crying which gave him enough mana to cast Zo Kath Ra at the end. I didn't bother with The Vault so no need to cast Zo. I did collect magical items such as the Fury and Storm Ring but he isn't a high enough Wizard level to use them.

I've just started a no magic game too! I'm recording it in csb4win - I'll upload once done.

It's cool seeing people attempt the "no spellcasting" run - congratulations on completing it so quickly, Ian Clark! Which Champion are you using for your run, PaulH?


--Jay