several of you lot are either blind to your own prejudice, or hated the entire original series and the STNG and so on.. plot twists without actual logic, women taking off clothing for no reason, poorly developed characters (if you take it one show or movie at a time) and I can go on.
go back and watch the first Kahn movie, and try to forget every episode prior to it. and don't depend on the first movie, because it was a whole lot of poop.. there is little in there to sell the long lived friendship or the richness of the characters.. and in fact leans heavily on the original story and series. William Shatner often accused of being a poor actor.. "of all the souls I've known.. his was the most.. *akward face jerk* human" buhawhawhaw... what the hell was that? all the valid emotion up to that point was ruined for me.. and well there are a whole whack of stupid things in the movie.. here this guy can point a bunch of them out
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it's easy to pick apart a movie based in fiction, often things are done too conveniently in order to make sure the story goes on.. How many times have seen a show or movie start of with one wrong and entirely unrealstic choice that if avoided, the entire movie would never have existed.. and even when resolutions to the issues arise, they are conveniently swept under the rug and ignored. Heck some movies thrive on the stupidity of their characters.. like every single slasher flick "Oh gee, all the lights are out, and I heard someone scream and gurgle bloody whimpers.. I'll go down into the basement without any form of protection and see.." o_o ...
oh please tell me how this differs from a random bra scene in the movie
and these
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I'm half surprised Kirk didn't bed a gorn.. he slept with nearly ever other alien in the galaxy.. and then there are the repeated "fully functional" android comments on STNG while Troi wears her low cut top/mini skirt and moans and writhes.. and feels.. oh so .. emotional. the Lesbian romances.. planets devoted to sexual acts.. women dominating men.. I could go on with about a thousand other instances and images to go with them.. but I think we can agree, scantily clad women for no reason was pretty common place..
disregarding tenets of what star trek stood for. I see.. the wrath of khan was about the love of a son and his father.. oh.. no wait.. that wasn't really dealt with until the next movie and it was short and convenient there too.. so, it was about human prejudice and how we should see past differences.. oh.. no.. no.. they killed all of the different people.. ok, I know, it was about world peace.. oh no no.. it was about revenge and blowing stuff up.. yeah.. that's what it was..
you know, if voting even matters to you.. go look at IMDB.. the two latest movies have higher ratings than all the previous Star Trek moves before them. Even Rotten Tomatoes (notorious for being harsh on films) gave it a highly favorable rating of 87% .. but you know.. you're not all biased or anything..
Sorry, but it's funny to me.. Many people didn't even try to see the Character development that was there, or the real deep research that shines through. Did you know that Scotty was fired in the original Trek? For a really short time.. just part of an episode. no.. you probably didn't .. but he was.. just as there are a number of deep looks into the personalities of these characters.. How Kirk see's Pike as a father he never had.. which is interesting because Pike passed off the ship to him in the first series as well and had shown faith in him, which on a psychological level would make sense if you grew up with a step dad you hated and finally someone saw your potential, believed in you, tutored and encouraged you.. you would probably feel it too. Admiral Marcus and his daughter.. after the attacks on starships and so on in the first film, when his daughter (carol) would have been a baby, he would have been paranoid, looking to defend his planet.. this would have shifted her interest based on her fathers obsession of finding ways to bolster the earths defenses.. so rather than devoting her big brain to genesis project, she became a weapons specialist to make her dad proud.. I can keep going on here.. there is a strong thread through the entire movie in each character that leads to this all making sense.. the previous series of star Trek have even delivered reasons why Spock is more emotionally driven, given his half human side.. we're seeing his darker impulses more due to the devastation of his planet, mother, and people.. and on it goes..
anyway, the movie had it's good parts and it's bad parts.. and no more so than any that came before it.. if you want to get out your judgement sticks and beat something, at least take the time to beat the snot out of the previous movies as well.. it's only fair