[RTC] Tower of Champions HINTS & HELP *SPOILERS*

[glecko]

merci beaucoups . for the help

[Kid_A]

Looking for a clue ... for Valentin's secret room.
I don't want the answer but just the area/lvl or a little hint

[lbk]

Check his guild with a magic map.

[dominicgaj]

Hello,

First time visitor here. I have just been playing TOC for the past week or so and am very impressed with the variation of things to do for this game.

So far, I have the tower keys from three guilds (Fighter, Priest, Thief) but I have not managed to even remotely begin the Mages Guild. I cannot work out what to do when I first enter and all my light sources are blocked out. I can see the eye and click on it but it says that it cannot see me because it is too dark.

The runes I have so far are:

OH, LO, YA, EE, KATH, UM and VI.

My suspicion is that I am missing a rune to get past the darkness. It isn't FUL by any chance is it? If so, I do not know where to find the FUL rune. I am hoping that the FUL rune isn't in the underground prison section of the Thieves guild as those invincible guards are painful to dodge past.

Possibly related is that fact that I have not entered Hieronymus' House yet and cannot do so.

Anyway, my congratulations to Adamski for creating what I would rate the best DM dungeon I have ever played. (And yes, I have played Conflux, and rate this one above that).

[lbk]

You are

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right about the rune, and where it is located.

I believe you should have found the house key when you found Korlash, but I could be mistaken.

[dominicgaj]

Of course, I ended up solving it myself after I posted didn't I. The FUL rune, however, wasn't in the underground prison of the thieves guild, it was

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in the fireplace of Hieronymus' House

I already had the house key of Hieronymus' (

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The cross key

) but it took me ages to find the

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keyhole

to

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Hieronymus' House

. It was

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hidden behind a vine growing on the wall of the house

I got into the Mage's guild after that but now I am stuck again at a door that only opens a fraction and then shuts again when I click on the door button to open it. There is one of those blue blob men with a club wandering around behnd it. Will I need the open door rune for this? I think it is ZO. I do not have ZO yet, and don't know where to find it.

Thanks for the reply, lbk.

[lbk]

You do not need the zo rune yet,

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try opening and closing all of the doors that you can.

[dominicgaj]

I used the

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read magic

to read the

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wall messages

that had

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xxxxxx's

on them and that gave me the clue I needed, thanks.

I can't get past this second eye that says that it will not let me pass. I tried being invisible in front of the eye but it didn't work. I created light in front of it and it didn't work. I tried to attack it with my Glory sword but it didn't work. I was going to

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wait for the light to run out so the area is totally dark so the eye cannot see me

and see if that works. Finally, I am going to try

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poison clouding

the eye and see if it destroys it.

Not sure if any of these things will work.

Apart from that I need to work out how to get out of the fireball trap where the wall message reads "If you are a mage you will escape" as well as the dual lightning bolts puzzle in the priest guild that, I suspect, will give me a treasure room if I solve it. I also need to get past the pit in the lower level of Hieronymus' House where the mall message reads (I think) No magic needed. I can only think of

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throwing something over the pit

as a solution.

Thanks again lbk. Have you already got through the whole game? I read somewhere that the game has 17 levels. How many of those are actually inside the tower? My estimation is that it will be at least more than half of them.

[dominicgaj]

Just another question, too. What is the maximum number of runes you can collect before entering the tower. I am suspecting that, apart from the puzzles I haven't solved above, I have found all the runes possible so far, although I just realised that I haven't found the teleport from the priest guild to the guild hall (

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which will activate the secret level if I also activate the mage guild teleport

). Perhaps solving the

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dual lightning bolts puzzle

in the priest guild will give me the teleport.

[lbk]

Yes, most of the levels are inside of the tower.

Although you do not need to figure out how to exit the hallway with the fireballs before entering the door with the eye that will not let you pass, I suggest that you do the fireball hallway first.

If you have gotten past the fireballs,

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you are probably trapped, try looking for hidden things. Knock on walls and check things.

As far as the eye goes, look for an item that you have gotten so far in the guild to defeat it.

I assume that there are many ways past the lightning bolts in the priests guild,

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but I used a mummy to take the magic damage for me the first time. Also, have you found the teleporter that leads to that central room, connecting all of the guilds?

For the pit in the mages house, no magic needed. Good luck getting back objects thrown.

And yes, I have beaten the entire game. It gets more fun the further you go (If you believe that.)

[dominicgaj]

As far as the eye goes, look for an item that you have gotten so far in the guild to defeat it.

If you mean an item collected in the mages guild I haven't collected much there, only the

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clubs that the blue blob men drop from memory

. I'll have to look at my equipment list again to be sure.

I assume that there are many ways past the lightning bolts in the priests guild,

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but I used a mummy to take the magic damage for me the first time. Also, have you found the teleporter that leads to that central room, connecting all of the guilds?

Hrrrrr.

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I've beaten all the mummies

so I can't do that. I can't think of another way to get past the dual lightning bolts pad as it is triggered by party weight only, not object weight and there is no way around the pad. Unless there is some sort of

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special shielding I could apply to myself

to get past the lightning.

For the pit in the mages house, no magic needed. Good luck getting back objects thrown. Perhaps I need to

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find the grapple hook

(which I've heard about in other posts),

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climb down the pit and then climb up the other side

. I will try this once I find where the

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grapple

is

And yes, I have beaten the entire game. It gets more fun the further you go (If you believe that.)[/quote]

[dominicgaj]

I forgot to mention that I have found two places (one in the

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thieves guild

and one in the

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warriors guild

) that takes you to the

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central room where all guilds are connected.

I am assuming that once I find

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one more for each of the other two guilds

, I will open up the

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secret teleport.

Or have I misunderstood how the

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central room works?

[lbk]

Your understand of the central room is pretty good,

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I belive that the teleporter hazes appear when certain levels are obtained in each of the skills (Craftsman, I believe).

As far as items you have found in the Mage's guild,

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look in the beginning room (had a blob and a blue man behind a door).

[dominicgaj]

I have got quite a bit further through the mage's guild. Solved boiler room. Removed fluxcage in the room with all the scrolls when you get frozen by grabbing a scroll. Don't have key to door behind fluxcage.

I'm guessing I need to

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catch a screamer in the bonsai cage

so I can

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get it across to another area where there is a green pad for the tiny screamer to step on to continue.

Here's the problem....

I don't have and have never had the

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bonsai cage to catch the tiny screamer

(which I have already created). (I read a scroll about it but never got it). No idea where to find it. Without it I am guessing that I will not progress any further.

Somebody Please help. I am guessing that I am very close to entering the tower now, and I wouldn't be surprised if I had all the runes that are possible to get at this stage of the game.

Thanks lbk for the other clue earlier. It was the

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torch

that got me

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past that eye that wouldn't let me pass

[Adamski]

I can't get past this second eye that says that it will not let me pass. I tried being invisible in front of the eye but it didn't work.

Actually

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being invisible works but only before

the eye sees you and closes the door. Otherwise you must solve the problem as you did.
I think you need only the ruby key to finish this guild. The bonsai cage is not necessary, it's useful for a bonus puzzle.

[dominicgaj]

Ok. I don't have a ruby key. Where is that found?

I've had a sinking thought overnight. There were four screamers behind a pit in a narrow passage and a

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door behind the screamers

. Before I realised

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there was a door to open with Zo, I fireballed the screamers

.

I have a bad feeling I've ruined my game and cannot win. Those four screamers would have

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gone through the door and around to a green pad to open something important wouldn't they?

[lbk]

I do not believe that you need to get past that door.

Have you opened the door next to the shrinking/growing machine yet?

[dominicgaj]

I ended up loading an older save and

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not fireballing the screamers

. I ended up

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getting the bonsai cage.

I have since got the ruby key and got the clan key piece via

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solving the door puzzle next to the shrinking/growing machine.

I have all four pieces and can get into the tower! I have not yet activated the priest guild teleport to the central guild room to

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open the secret level yet

, so I will do that first. (But I'm not a craftsman priest yet so I will have to build it up by

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blowing the horn of fear a few times

)

[dominicgaj]

Now that I can get into the tower I am going to run two concurrent games side by side: One where the goal is to win and another where the goal is to clean up everything that can be found (all secrets etc.) in the entire game.

Concerning my "clean up" game, I went back to the very beginning (the prison where the main character begins the adventure) and continued to go downstairs to the very bottom where there were:

- Rock piles
- Mummies
- A

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Mace of Albion

- A metal skull door with blue blob men behind it.

I defeated all the mummies and rock piles, got the

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mace

but cannot get through the skull door. ZO doesn't work.

I have two questions:

1) Is the

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Mace of Albion

needed for anything in particular (or is it just worth cashing in for money)?
2) How do I get through the skull door? (O hang on,

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the mace may be needed to get through the skull door

, I'm just going to check. No that wasn't it. In that case, my second question stands.

[Adamski]

You can

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open this door from the other side

. About the mace of Albion,

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it's a cursed item!

[dominicgaj]

How do cursed items work in DM anyway? Do they stick to your hand so you can't let go, or do things generally go against you when you hold them in your hand or if they are in your pack?

I am thinking that the other side of the door could be reached via the

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bottom of one of the wells

(I can't remember which one), maybe the

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well of fortune. (The one that needs a moon crescent key to open)

If that's the case, I'll deal with that one later.

[dominicgaj]

Unfortunately, due to no food I am on the verge of being defeated by this game and I am right at the verge of finishing the sewer level:

I defeated flying-deamon and got an onyx key in the sewers.
I defeated fish-human-shaped-monsters and got an onyx key.
I solved the double gold key puzzle and got an onyx key.
I have solved the water pressure puzzle and opened the door next to the water pressure machine but I cannot find the 4th Onyx key.

My food levels for all characters are zero and stamina is being lost. Mana is running out and not replenishing so it is nearly game over.

I need absolutely the 4th onyx key absolutely now. Once I have it I know where to go to flood the last area. Please help.

[dominicgaj]

Never mind the above, I have the 4th onyx key now. I'm still going to have to manage to get through this level with all players food levels at zero and beat the fireball throwing demon as well.

Could be tough...

[dominicgaj]

I think there might be a bug in the game or at least my save game may be broken. I escaped the sewers by putting in the

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vaccum fuse

in the appropriate place.

I re-stocked all my characters with food etc. and attempted to get back into the tower but the front door is shut again, even though all four clan keys have be placed in. I can't get back into the tower via the sewers and back up to the ghost level as a wall has closed me in (The one that says "Trapped".)

Hmm.

[Adamski]

Don't worry dominicgaj, that wall is not a bug. Read the scroll in the alcove.

[beowuuf]

Not played it in a while, and didn't properly get into the tower. Isn't there an invisible wall just beyond the sewer pit on the outer wall? Or is that wall how you get to the sewer.

Edit: Lol, nevermind, someone who knows what they're talking about posted at the same time!

[dominicgaj]

I read a scroll in an alcove next to the "Trapped" message ages ago (right at the beginning of my sewer sojourn) and I can't remember what it said. Was that the one that said if you

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pass the door you will find it hard to get out again

Remember I can actually get out of the sewers to be outside again

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(via the passage near the place where the vaccum fuse is placed)

but can't get back into the tower ground floor anymore.

[dominicgaj]

Is my escape to do with placing the

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Phantom key in every available lock in the ghost level

Although I suspect I have already done this because I have already been through the

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phantom door that appears and disappears

[Adamski]

dominicgaj, read the posts of 19th and 20th April in this thread

[dominicgaj]

So I am reading it that you need to have everyone in your party

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drink the red wine

so you can "perhaps"

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step through the "trapped" message to get back into the tower

If that is the solution I never would have worked it out myself. Thanks Adamski. I'll get to it now and have a try.