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The crack angle was a dangerously different idea, certainly, that is why I dangled in front of you :D Plus it seemed a nice pay off to your line of thought.

But yes, you can try to connect with your surroundigns more, though it might excelerate the process. So I would certainly advice everyone else in the group to be trying their best to at least stall the joining while someone actively sought it with the puzzle! Another good idea though!

And you know what, with a will save that high, I might even let you attempt that with the possibility of coming back unharmed. Mostly :)


Anyway, want others to weigh in on the process. Ian rolled a good will save, so if you have an idea to back that up, that would be cool. And LB and money haven't said anything - are they around?

So at the moment Ameena and Petal are trying personal ideas for keeping separate, Ameena with a DC15 will save aand decent idea and Petal starting to fall in to the poor side of will saves but relying on her teaching of balance. Whereas Westian is tryiong to hold on to his sanity for dear life, pull away form the dual personality stuff that is to do with the crack, and instead pushing to try and connect with the surroundings to find the answer without going insane!

So yeah, nice if I knew if Falkor or Aurek were doing anything, I think mostly I'm waiting for any final yay/nay on Westian's plan from you all and clarification on what Haynuus is doing now, before I update. Hmm, Ameena will be at club, but I think I will post something last thing tonight or first thing tomorrow to move us on with Westian's idea if I've heard nothing else.
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Actually I'm back from club early tonight - not many people been turning up lately (quiet time of year I suppose, people busy with stuff) so nothing going on that I can join in with. Prefer to come back here and nuke mobs rather than sit around not doing very much ;).
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Awww. And you get those gorgons! No fear!
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Hehe yeah the gorgons went down easy - have finished Greece now and just arrived in Rhakotis, Egypt - time for some Jackalmen and scarabs and stuff to meet my Ternion-powered staff :twisted:.
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Just waiting for at least Raixel to have her actions. Kinda would like money or LB actions, but we seem to have lost them for the moment :( If you guys see this, I can summarise the huge posts for you so you don't have to read them!
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Hmm, I'm going to do the HP double bill tonight, so will need to decide soon if I update for Westian/Ameena/Haynuus alone, or hold on for another evening to catch Petal as well. Might do the former to break up the resolutions and also add some NPC stuff.
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beowuuf wrote:HP double bill
Extra brown sauce?

I had the flu/fever for the last two days so apologies for pants-posts :) Much better now though.
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Or Harry Potter. Sad, I know!

AAnd awww, luckily I've been letting the game go slower to catch people, so it's all good. Typing out a three player/NPC post right now. And hope you feel better!
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Ah hah! Harry Potter! The last one I believe. I'm only about 5 years behind, me thinks. Enjoy!
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Ok, update up.


Out of interest, comments, etc on it as a puzzle and as a narrative build up for the finale?


Edit: Indeed, the last one. They are runnign a double bill, since they spit the film up in to two parts. So it's going to be a brutal marathon of the first long film then the second new long film afetr midnight when it is released. Fun fun fun! So yeah, no more posts from me until 3am, when I will be saying ygfhbjnkl which means dfgvbhjn in tired speak.
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I still don't quite know exactly what needed to be done to solve the whole Truth puzzle thing...I don't think my character was particularly geared toward dealing with that kind of thing mentally, though, so maybe that's alright ;). Didn't really know what to do for most of it so just had Ameena try to ignore everything else and focus on that one thing ;).
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I thought it worked well as a puzzle, mainly because of its non-traditional nature (not just a variation on a common theme - press buttons in a certain order or solve a riddle). Also it required you to think "outside the box", if I can use that awful cliché.

And I like the fact that it leaves its mark on the characters. And the fact that Westian is now omnipotent. *ignores beo's shouts to the contrary* Completely omnipotent.
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Groovy! And yeah, omniscience means you know exactly what's gunna kick your arse and how!


Will wait for Ian's input then move us on then :) Unless I fall asleep, Harry Potter staying up late for didn't hit me at work, but is hitting me now...
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Glad to see some discussions going on with Petal, but just to let you know I'll do an update to move us forwards a little - at least have the NPCs react, and also have Westian at least know what's going on fgor the path. So you guys can transition from reactions to planning your next tactical move :) Poor OB will have stuff to read tomorrow. And I guess I need to PM money and LB with a summary of what went down so they can jump back in.[/b]
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So how was HArry Potter, btw?
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Yeah, a fitting end to the series. Lots of epic action - one action set piece outside of the school, one set peice to get to the school, and then it's all WAR. Obviously there are some beats in between, they seemed to work wellenough, You can't service everything, despite the length of the film, so some thigns land well and other thigns are kinda only touched on, but overall it's all good really.
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Woo, trying to sum up Petal's prologue adventure in a decent amount of time and in her accent sure was fun. Or not. If what she said wasn't clear to anyone, let me know and i'll repost a normally-written summary here.
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Lol, it seemed ot have worked, everyone understood :D


Went to bed early, so I think missed updating awaiting Ameena, perhaps? Can't quite see who I was waiting on now I look back. Will add an NPC reaction update, plus lay out a few of the items you have. Still looking for a definitive direction for action, though. Are you thinking path of light, or further exploration of the floor first? (Spoiler alert: None of the NPCs will ahve a huge problem with risking a quick move passed Dolo, given the alternative is grak-graks. Though some are less worried than others :D0
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Sorry, I can see people floating around and adding posts. I am typing up an update right now, I promise! :)

Just a little bit of cross checking to do on some of the items. I htink there are a few not written down, or some maybe discarded that I forgot were discarded. There comes a point in time where you guys are responsible for your own inventories though, so I will flag the ones I recall and/or can see on your sheets, or I can't clearly see should be missing, but otherwise this is your last chance to go 'what about that two faced coin that said Chaos is a jerk'? There are obviously a couple that were just for flavour, of course :D
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Hm, that two faced coin must be one of those "limited edition" GOR coins ;)

Yeah, that was the idea behind Petal suggesting that. I just wouldnt want to hvae the ULTRA KILLER DOLO KILLING SWORD OF DOOM OF DOOM (the last was a Munchkin joke, not a typo) buried in my or someone elses inventory.
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Hehe I've played Munchkin, once - I surprised myself (and everyone else, I think) by winning when I was level 9 and realised I had a "Level Up" card and a "Cheat" card in my hand...:twisted:
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I have sort of lost track of the soul gem, who has it? And do we have any idea where the last piece is?

I thought it would be cleaner to have some of the debate about what to do OOC and then make a move later on, we need to come up with a strategy. Charging in with 4 super bad guys in the room is probably certain death. Can we split them up? Can we separate Gholst and Theron? It might be best to face Dolo's essence on its own before we face the others, in teh hope that it will at least weaken him.

@beo - sorry, I don't remember the black onyx sword. I would not have dropped it though unless I got it before the elementals - I dropped swords and armour at that point.
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The sword was the only with an onyx pommel you picked up after defeating Tosca (sp?) and his guards, just before going back through Soorec's room and meeting Falkor. Did you drop the sword a second time wth the elementals recently?


To Ameena's point - remember you did, in a way, get thw Grey Lord to sort out the mess last time (in the first run timeline). Though the other bosses were downby then. And things have played out differently this time. Gholst and Theron being separated is the key. You know that Falkor saw Gholst runnign free while Theron was alseep (certain ryhyms might make sense now, and now you might understand why Falkor was suddenly a target). Theron can deal with Gholst if Gholst is separate, except Theron does not want Gholst to be separate because Gholst has clearlyu threatened Theron's dead sister Karnadee. Hence the balance, where Gholst is forced to stay with Theron to ensure he cannot be destroyed, and Theron is forced to keep Gholst for fear Gholst does bad thigns in revenge. Obviously, each is hoping to subtly reach a place where they can betray the other.

So yeah, splittign Gholst and Theron is a good idea, but is sort of one of the ultimate goals and a way to win the game., Perhaps. If done right. So you really need to figure out how to do that to turn the tide. Targettign Dolo is also an idea. He';s barely gholding on to the grak-graks now. Destroy him, and the grak-graks may well turn on the blackskulls. Though you need ot be out of the way of that, or else you guys risk being torn apart too.

I'm happy to leave you guys to OOC.
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Regarding the Soulstone, I've currently got it. Well, Ameena has. Well, same thing ;). I think there's only one piece left now - Dolo had one, which we found on Fex's corpse. Soorec had another, which Ameena yoinked in his icky altar room (right after looting the weird magic orb thingy which at the time had a fish in it, and which led her to the fragment) while he was having...er...terminal issues with his grak-graks (via Dolo). I know the largest piece (which I think is the only one left now) is with Dargat, who's either an orc or a half-orc (can't remember now) and is pretending to be Gholst in front of the Blackskulls ('cause they don't know what Gholst looks like, or something) but was previously the second-in-command. He's sort of in charge of the Blackskulls but there are two factions - his and Garax's. Garax is a follower of Dolo (a worshipper of Lolth, I believe - spider goddess known as the "Demon Queen", though she isn't a demon - in the DnD universe she's generally worshipped by the Drow, the dark elves who live deep down in the Underdark with all their nasty spiders and Drow-spider weird hybrid monster thingys, and stuff), so those two are definitely on the same side. I think they may have some kind of uneasy sort of "peace" with Dargat and his lot. I presume they know what Gholst looks like, and that Dargat isn't him. Presumably they also know about the issue with Theron too, but how much I have no idea.
Last time (in the First Run, which technically hasn't happened yet because it was in two weeks' time, but you know... ;)), I think the group managed to deal with all the bosses, and just had Theron/Gholst left when they finally fixed the Soulstone - the Grey Lord turned up and in the ensuing confrontation Gholst (in Theron's body) killed Theron. This kinda pissed the Grey Lord off a teeny bit and he lost control of himself and Chaos took over, thus destroying the world and stuff, but in the brief moment right before Chaos took control, the Grey Lord threw the group back in time two weeks to when they woke up in that room back at the game's start. So haha, we didn't have Aurek, Petal, Deephold, Helm, or a load of blue trolls back then :twisted:.
But yeah, that's about as much as I know regarding NPCs and stuff, and the Soulstone, etc. How to deal with Gholst/Theron, I'm not sure. Maybe we can find out how Dolo separates his spirit from himself or something and see if we can force that status onto Gholst and get rid of him that way - maybe Falkor can achieve something in the spirit world in the cloak, or maybe he can lend the cloak to someone else who might be able to do stuff - Petal with her sylvan magic, or Westy with his spiritual-type stuff. I'm not really sure what Ameena can do unless there's a chance for someone small and sneaky to maybe dart about and grab the last piece of Soulstone...but I think if we summon the Grey Lord before we've dealt with Gholst, we might just end up repeating the steps of how the First Run ended.
What's going on with Karnadee? Is she somehow being forced into being stuck in this world somehow? Can she bugger off into wherever it is the spirits of the dead are supposed to go? I mean, I presume she's dead and stuff, anyway. Or is Theron not letting her go because of brotherly love and all that? Maybe we can talk him into letting go? Or if that's not the problem, then maybe there's some other way we can assure Karnadee's safety from Gholst - I reckon she's the key. If we can guarantee aht gholst won't be able to do Nasty Horrible Things to her, I reckon Theron can relax a bit and kick some arse...and then we can call back the Grey Lord and get him to sort things out.
As for Dolo, Garax, and Dargat...I dunno - some kind of epic battle royale? Hrmm, there must be sneakier ways around them than that. Dolo can probably be taken care of spiritually, somehow. Me and Haynuus nearly managed to bring down Garax by ourselves, so he's probably not too much of a problem unless he's levelled up a lot or got some uber loot since the last time we met him (or buffs from Dolo or something). Dargat I know nothing about except that he's an orc or half-orc and wears blue armour. Since he's the head Blackskull guy I'd presume him to be one hell of a tough sod to bring down, physically at least. Oh, and there's probably the grak-graks to worry about too, whether we take down Dolo or not. At least we know we can harm them with health potions when they take on someone else's form - pity we don't have a load of hypodermic needles ;).
Hmm, so yeah...that's about all I know about the various NPCs and stuff so far. Anyone else got any other info?
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Ameena pretty much has the thrust of it. I didn't reveal anything about the soul stone location and stuff, since my understanding was that it wasn't Westian's focus. Of course, he can risk tapping in to his weird mind set if he wants to try and feel out the remaining soulstone parts. Remember, the soulstone used to be housed in this huge area (Westian would know that, I think it's been mentioned before) so it is very possible that the third piece that was 'with Dargat' is actually in this meeting room, still in the place where the stone used to be mounted. It's the illusive fourth piece. You have Westian's abilities, that odd fish bowl, or the fact if you wanna try and access first run memories, when you found it, you might find it that way. I think someone's even hinted where it might be (the last place Theron would look).

AS for Karnadee - yeah, it's been stated I think in many places cryptically and out loud that it's Theron and Theron's guilt that's basically keeping Karnadee bound to in the ethereal plane.


And yeah, as to the comment in the IC thread - if you split Gholst and Theron and deal with that, then indeed the soulstone becomes a more attractive proposition :)


Anyway, good summary Ameena, lots to think about there. As for Garax, no reason to assume he'd elvel up...in fact, perhaps he's been so busdy he's not fully healed. Who knows...
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Ooh shit yeah, that's where the last piece was - I knew there was another one! Theron's got it, hasn't he? Or it's somewhere very close like that but which Theron doesn't know about, because Gholst put it there when he was in control of Theron's body, or something.


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Yep :)
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Hey guys. Just letting you all know my best friend is in the hospital for at least a few days. So my posts might either be really frequent or drop down to almost nothing, depending on if I'm sitting at home chewing my fingernails off or not home.
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Oh, that sucks. What happened?
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If Dolo is isolated we could try and deal with him on his own. That would have two effects: (1) make the grak-graks go crazy (hopefully while we are far away) and (2) that would leave Garax without an ally, so maybe Dargat would seize the chance to get rid of him (wishful thinking perhaps). And this is assuming that we can beat his essence, and that will have an effect on his physical self.

Westian could try and feel out where the rest of the soulstone is, but if Gholst has it on his person that would not be much help.

Saving Karnadee seems like it should be a priority too. I assume Falkor will have told us about her being in the ethereal realm.

@beo - no, I did not drop stuff a second time, I must just have forgotten to type it into my character sheet. Sorry!

@Raixel - I hope things are okay with your friend.
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