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Hi all, Tim here, from Southern England. Kind of surprised at myself for not finding this forum sooner, what with the fact I used to be a DM fanatic and also a Forum fanatic! ;)

I'm 40 and first discovered DM back in the late 80s I guess, and I would say it's probably the most influential game I've ever played. Still, to this day, nothing really matches all the complex nuances that made it what it is. How many games make your characters suffer if you don't eat or drink? How many games cause your characters to move slower if they're overloaded with items? How many games have such a simple yet effective magic system?

I think it was the magic system that really made DM for me. I'm embarassed to say I didn't have a manual when I first played it, probably because it was a copy a friend had done for me. (I can't get told off for that after 22 years, can I?) So playing the game for the first time, I didn't know the rune names. I remember progression being quite slow, and my characters' Warrior and Ninja skills rising, but my Mana skills being quite static. A Scroll might say, "Cast Ful to create light", but I didn't know what that rune was.

So one day, (probably several days in fact), I decided to learn all the spells. And I mean properly. There was no World Wide Web back then. I couldn't just go online and "cheat". I had to truly learn the magic spells, just like my characters. I remember, near a large room on about level 5 or 6, where there are loads of Worms, there was a safe area where I could practise my spells and rest for long periods without fear of attack, but with a plentiful supply of food to keep me going. For hours and hours I would practise casting spells to see if they wuold fizzle and die, or if something would happen. For any positive result I'd note down the spell, (using numbers to represent the runes - 1,6,6 for example), and any effect.

I soon realised the first rune was the spell power, so I would always hit 1 to start with to save Mana. But that still meant 6 x 6 x 6 combinations to try. 216 combinations, out of which, what, about 30 (?) did something. But it still took ages to finally realise what all the spells did. The one to open doors looked the same as the one to kill ethereal monsters. I can't tell you how many times I fired the door-opening spell at a monster, with no effect of course! But it took even longer to realise what the very last spell I learned was. For ages I would cast it, and simply nothing would happen. I was infuriated. Until the time I happened to walk up to a door after casting the spell, and I realised I could see through the door! That moment, of having learned and noted down every single spell, was a real achievement I thought.

Anyway, I'm babbling. I'm glad to have found these forums, and I've already downloaded and started DM again. I'm looking forward to trying some of the new maps that people have created, and you never know, I might have a go at making my own one day. (Was always into mapping games like DM and Bloodwych, and I even had some published in an Amiga Magazine once.)

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Welcome to the forums, AdrenaTim! :)

LOL, I didn't have the manual either (I also had an illegal copy, but mostly because it was - of course - not possible to get a legal one in the 1980s in Czechoslovakia - so about 99 % of games and other software here were illegal copies), so I had the same problem with spells. Only after some time I copied (pen and paper, of course) it from one of my friends. And that paper with spells became the most valuable part of my gaming property. So, as a result, as you, I still don't remember the names of the spells, I still remember them by numbers (x-4-4 BOOM!). (*)

Also, as a result, in my first attempts to finish DM I basically omited the Priest and Wizard skills, so I usually ended up having two super-warriors in front and two super-ninjas behind them, unable to cast a simple "1-4" spell and dying in the darkness somewhere on the Worm level. After getting that spell-paper, the situation improved. :)

Happy sunny days without the internet... :P

(*) funnily I still remember other gaming things like M-I-L or IDDQD.... :roll:
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Hey, welcome :D. I live in the southest of England - whereabouts are you if I may ask?
And omg I would never have been arsed to do that with the spells :O. Worm level is level 4 (there are 14 total), unless you consider the HoC to be Level 0 instead of Level 1 in which case it's only Level 3.
So, how many times did you manage to accidentally Fireball yourself to death whilst facing a wall? :D
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Welcome Adrena1in! :D And well done one researching all the spells, probably takes a lot of patience (from the sounds of it you were in the screamer room, a great place to rest up!). I did something similar, but in a less systematic way. At least when you discovered "see through walls" you knew what it was, I thought I had blown a hole in the wall and tried to walk through!

But other spells must have been very hard to figure out. Invisibility for instance. Or even what shield/magical shield/fireshield did (unless they visually increase your stats, I cannot remember).
Jan wrote:(*) funnily I still remember other gaming things like M-I-L or IDDQD.... :roll:
I still remember a cheat for Populous 2 - to create the best god you had to type in ADKIWBKDCJZLTUWZ. I don't have a freakishly good memory or anything (in fact I am really forgetful) but that has stayed with me all these years (clearly my mind is programmed to remember the important stuff :wink: ).
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oh_brother wrote:I don't have a freakishly good memory or anything (in fact I am really forgetful) but that has stayed with me all these years (clearly my mind is programmed to remember the important stuff :wink: ).
Yeah, I wish I could have remember stuff at school like that. I've always said that they should distribute the textbooks like computergames. "Shoot the atomic orbital!" "Solve the mistery of the missing mechanical lever!" In these games, cheats would be the most important formulae, names of species and medieval writers.
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adrena1in... great to have you here! yeah, i pretty much did the same as you did, then i headed back with the firestaff and got clobbered by Lord Order :lol: i thought i was going to get out of there, but nope, tried to kill him for days.
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Hi again all.

Ammena, I'm in Winchester...whereabouts are you? And the level I'm talking about is, I think, below the Worm level. I seem to remember you go down the stairs from the Worm level into a small area where there's another stairway down, and a deep alcove where I used to store my food and empty flasks and stuff, plus I'm sure there was a water-fountain. I think there was some sort of ethereal monster you had to dispose of in that little area, but once that was done it was a totally safe and isolated spot in which to do some learning. (I might actually do it all again with RTC, now I've downloaded that!) :)

oh_brother, that's a good point, perhaps I never did literally learn what every spell did. I expect that, after a while, I was able to correlate the spell result to a scroll-text, (I'm remembering more and more now that that's what I did), so that before long I was able to figure out what all the runes were called, which would have meant I was able to know for sure what all the spells did from teh scrolls, even if it wasn't apparent upon casting. (Didn't Invisiility make your top-view characters go a little dim or something, (and I don't mean dim as in stupid!)) ;)

Chaos_Shaman, hah, yeah, I remember trying for ages to kill Lord Order, (was that his name?), at the entrance to the Dungeons.
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I'm in Chatham, one of the Medway Towns. So some way away from you then, though I don't know specifically whre Winchester is, lol, but I do know it has a famous cathedral.
The level below the "Worm Level", Level 5, has the "Treasure Stores". Creatures are Flying Snakes and...well, my book calls them "Flying Screamers" though I'm not sure why...they're the slimy tentacle thingys that chuck Poison Bolts at you. When you first descend to that level from the level above, you are in a corridor with a fountain or two - there is a left-turn nearby which has a secret switch or something to open a wall with some stairs behind it, which lead up to another wall with another secret button, which opens a shortcut to the Screamer Room, right around the corner. Going back to that starting corridor on level 5, if you follow it to the end (past one or two tentacle-thingys), you find the stairs down to the Riddle Room of Level 6. You don't have to do Level 5 - all you get is a few treasure items and stuff that are by no means essential. I tend to skip it these days - bloody Flying Snakes :P.
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Winchester? Cool, you are just down the road from me! Ameena, Winchester is in the direction of Southampton (through London I guess) from you


Welcome to the forums, btw - sorry, was distracted this weekend.
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Ah yeah, Basingstoke's not far...go there relatively often.

Had a great weekend on RTC, remembering the maps and the monsters that lurk within. I'm not 100% sure now where I did learn all the spells all those decades ago...think it might have just been the end of level two.

I'd forgotten how tough some of the baddies can be. Those Green Tentacled Slimey things that shoot poison...one of them kept on killing one of my characters, which was driving me spare, but I was rushing about too fast and not paying attention. A level or two later the Floating Eyes and their Lightning Bolts did me even more damage, killing my party several times. I'll go back and sort them out later!

Have made it down to level 8 or 9. Always loved the Giant Rats, or ROUS's as I call them. Anyone else feel they simply have to Fireball them, just to make sure the Drumsticks are properly cooked?!
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Adrena1in wrote:I'd forgotten how tough some of the baddies can be
I don't think your memory is failing you - the wizard eyes are reportedly tougher in RTC than they were in the original game. I don't know if there is a similar story with the green tentacle things.
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That's a relief then. There have been several times where they've killed one or all of my party before I've even seen them. Plus they respawn a LOT!! Never really used "Shield Spells" when I originally played DM, but I'm starting to think I might have to, especially when I get to those Fire Demon things on the 12th level. :shock:
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Omfg yes Beholders are such a bloody pain in RTC - not only do Lightning Bolts do more damage but you can be hit by one from the other end of a really long corridor with no warning whatsoever :(. Fortunately Beholders are only found on two levels. From the sonuds of it you're on Level 9 (Rat level) unless you've finished that since your last post. Yay for the end of that level - fountain and Rat Room right near central stairway :D.
Fire Demons are on Level 13, unless you're counting the HoC as 0 in which case yeah it would be Level 12. But that's just confusing ;). Personally I don't tend to have too much trouble with them - it's the Spell Vines on the level before that I bloody hate! :P
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Yeah, I've finished it now. Was always a little disappointed in how relatively easy it was to defeat Lord Chaos at the end. Once the Firey Demon things were taken care of, (oh yeah, and once Lord Chaos moved out of the way of the entrance to the level, since he'd effectively trapped me.

One thing though...I couldn't seem to get back up to the start with the Firestaff. Was sure I managed it before, but it seemed my exits were all blocked. Probably just me not trying hard enough.

Onto Chaos Strikes Back now, which I never played before. Man, it's hard!! 8-o
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Adrena1in wrote:One thing though...I couldn't seem to get back up to the start with the Firestaff. Was sure I managed it before, but it seemed my exits were all blocked. Probably just me not trying hard enough.
I know that we've discussed the DM endings before, but... with a completed Firestaff you can't just walk back to the entrance, because the exits really are blocked. You have to throw it through the door from the room where you completed it and then grab it again out of the room - if you walk through this door with the Firestaff in your inventory, the exits will get blocked.

Anyway, good luck in CSB! Keep us informed on your progress! :)
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Hey, gratz on DM. And yeah, DM is basically "Easy Mode" compared to CSB...in fact, probably compared to just about any dungeon (ie including the various custom ones people have made). It's like the tutorial for picking up all the mechanics you'll need to try and survive in all the other dungeons :D. Don't feel bad if you spend most of your time in CSB running around getting lost, clueless about what's going on/what you're supposed to do, and dying a lot - we've all been there :D.
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Oh yeah, I remember now...have to throw the Activcated Firestaff out of the room on the Dragon Level. Cool. I've a saved game with the Firestaff not yet activated, which I might re-load, because there's still lots I've not managed to complete, and I'm sure in the original game I completed everything, since I mapped everything. What I've not done this time round is;

1) Get through all three sections on level, errm, (quickly opens RTCEditor), level 10. I only found two Cross-Keys. Don't think it matters, but still...

2) Find the Hard-Cleave. (RTCEditor will show me, I know.)

3) Get all four pairs of Boots of Speed. Do you only ever get to open ONE of the doors on the Tomb of the Firestaff that require a Turquoise Key? I opened the wrong one.

But I'll also carry on with CSB, unless it drives me insane by being so difficult that it's not fun. I mean, not far into the game at all and I fall through the floor into a room and get smothered by little red floaty things that beat the bejeezus out of me before I even know what's going on. There's "fun" and there's "annoying". ;)
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Adrena1in wrote:1) Get through all three sections on level, errm, (quickly opens RTCEditor), level 10. I only found two Cross-Keys. Don't think it matters, but still...
There are only two Cross Keys, so you can only access two of the three sections.
Adrena1in wrote:3) Get all four pairs of Boots of Speed. Do you only ever get to open ONE of the doors on the Tomb of the Firestaff that require a Turquoise Key? I opened the wrong one.
Yeah. There's only one Tourquoise Key.
Adrena1in wrote:I fall through the floor
You'll have to get used to this if you want to survive. :)
Adrena1in wrote:red floaty things
Munchers. I hate these guys. If they surround you, the death is pretty near. They can be easilly killed with a
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The "falling through the floor" is probably, in actuality, "falling through invisible pits". Tohugh theya ren't quite invisible - look for a faint grey dotted line on the floor marking the pit edge. CSB also has a few fake pits too - they look like normal pits but are an illusion.
And yes, Munchers are a pain in the arse :P. Back on the Atari they used to only require one Lo-level Fireball to kill them. In RTC, however, they are tougher :(. On the plus side, they don't show up in too many places (mainly Neta, I think, and also posisbly the "No Fireballs" section in Ku). Their poison is a pain, as is their speed. At least they're relatively weak, however.
CSB requires some care in playing - watch out for invisible pits, and also it can be of benefit to you to walk around clonking your head on the walls since there are plenty of illusionary ones in random places. CSB has fake walls and hidden teleporters and stuff all over the place and you can find yourself being moved around without your even being aware of it. It takes a while to figure out the vague structure to the dungeon so don't worry if you spend a lot of your time feeling lost ;).
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I must've used the Magic Vision spell originally then, to get the 4th pair of Boots. (Or reloaded an old save-game.) Never mind, won't be going back to DM much now.

Yes, they were "invisible" pits I was falling through. Easy enough to spot if you can take your time...impossible to spot if a nasty monster's chasing you and you're trying to quickly run away! ;)
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Lol yes, also probably hard to spot if you don't actually know they're there - there are none in DM, after all ;). Oh wait, no, there are a few, aren't there, on Level 12 (Knight level), near the beginning - there's a subtle trigger on the floor that opens and closes a row of about four of them spanning a room and you can train a Knight or two over and drop them down by opening the pits when they're standing on an appropriate square :twisted:.
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Hidey Ho there neighborino's!
My name is Marcel, folks call me Mouse. My writing name is Dangermouse. I currently live in Orange County, California (USA). I'm 38 (at the time of this post) and I've been playing RPG's since I was a wee tot. I've played 1st-4th edition D&D, but 3rd is my favorite. I've played GURPS, Palladium, Steve Jackson Games, etc.. I currently play in some 4th edition D&D and I DM a couple of 3rd edition games. If anyone has any 3rd edition questions/ideas and wants to chat, hit me up. Also, I mostly love the Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms settings.
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Welcome!

This is actually a forum for the old PC computer game Dungeon Master. Hopwever, that doesn't mean we don't have RPG fans around. Indeed, the last time this misunderstanding occurred, we ended up running a D&D game here based on the game!

I played the old Basic D&D back in the day, and got back in to D&D 3.5 through the Lone Wolf variant. I've played and DM'd 4th edition too.

And love the name...Dangermouse was a great cartoon :D
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welcome DangerMouse ! great cartoon indeed :) (it was named "Dare Dare Motus" here)
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Welcome Dangermouse!
beowuuf wrote:the old PC computer game Dungeon Master
I think you mean the old Atari ST game, ported to Amiga and PC. :wink:

P.S. Is this a sign we should start a new PbP DnD game! :D
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The gods have spoken :p
Was unable to (permenantly) kill off ian_scho (Haynuus), Ameena, oh_brother (Westian), money (Falkor), raixel (Petal) and Lord_Bones (Aurek) in the DM D&D game Time's Champions!

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Its about a week since i joined this forum,so i guess its time to tell you all more about myself.

Im Craig,living in Northern England.34 years old.
Started playing video games in the early 80's.My first computer was a Commodore 64,and i loved that computer.Played all of the classics (Had very few original games in my collection though...Most were copies :oops: )My fave game on the C64 was The Last Ninja.

As a kid i was always interested in Dinosaurs and Monsters,I loved the old Ray Harryhausen creature movies,(Sinbad,Clash of the titans ect).
I was introduced to Dungeons and Dragons whilst out shopping with my mum one day.There was a rpg/comic book store in town,and my mum bought me a packet of d&d miniatures (A pack of Bugbear warriors) along with a few pots of acrylic paint.I painted the miniatures,and it developed into a hobby.
Every weekend i would buy a pack of miniatures with pocket money,and i began to build quite a nice collection of monsters.

I didn't understand what these miniatures were actually for though.
It was only when a friends brother told me about the game Dungeons and Dragons,and showed me his d&d rule books.

For xmas i asked for the d&d Basic rules box set.
I quickly became obsessed with the world of Dungeons and dragons,but i wasn't particularly bothered about playing the game.
I was more interested in reading through the monster descriptions,and i began to create my own dungeons (That nobody would ever actually play in).I had a ring binder that was chock full of dungeons that i had created.

Around this time,i had moved on from the 8 bit C64 and was now playing on the Atari ST.
The first time i saw Dungeon Master was at a local computer games shop,some dude was running through level 1 chucking Ninja stars at a mummy.
I was blown away.I had never seen ANYTHING that looked as good as that game.

It wasn't until a few months later that i finally played DM myself (A friend made me a copy).I had no instructions manual,and had to learn the spells and stuff.
Played it for months,and eventually got stuck on what i now know is Level 8.
I was obsessed about an arcade game around this time,called 'R-Type' and my D&D miniatures hobby began to take a back seat to my desire to play that incredible shoot em up at my local arcade.
Mid way through 1989 i read a magazine article about a superb games console that had just been released in Japan,The NEC PC Engine Turbographics.One of the launch games for the console was an astounding pixel for pixel arcade perfect conversion of R-Type.
It was a no brainer.I immiediatley placed my Atari St for sale.
I had my PC Engine console for xmas 1989.

Since then,iv played on and owned practically every games console that has ever been released.I even purchased an arcade cabinet (Complete with a Capcom Final Fight game board) which is in my garage.

Spent a large portion of the mid 90's playing Street Fighter 3-Third Strike and Marvel Vs Capcom 2 at tournaments here in the Manchester and surrounding area.
My fave console this generation has to be the XBOX360 (I also have a Playstation 3,and a Nintendo Wii) and the best game i have played this generation has to be Super Mario Galaxy 2.

Recently however,i have been getting pissed off with modern gaming (Ultimate Marvel Vs Capcom 3 left a bad taste),and it was then,that i remembered Dungeon Master...The game i never beat.

The rest is history.Here i am. :)
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Officially welcome to the forums! Funnily, I was just talking to someone about the old basic D&D game. Never played the advanced bersion, just went through the good old red/blue/turquiose boxes. Don't think I ever went to the purple/gold master/immortal ones.
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beowuuf wrote:Officially welcome to the forums! Funnily, I was just talking to someone about the old basic D&D game. Never played the advanced bersion, just went through the good old red/blue/turquiose boxes. Don't think I ever went to the purple/gold master/immortal ones.
I had the Red and the blue box sets.
A few years later i got my hands on a mammoth hardback edition that had the contents of all the boxset books.
I still have that book on my coffee table. lol.Its brilliant,full of illustrations,maps of the game world (Mystara),and a massive monster compendium.
I love reading through rpg rule books (Even though i have never actually played them),one of the best rpg rule books i ever read was the Star Wars rpg rules book.Some of the supplements to that game were fantastic reading.

A lot of the creatures in Dungeon Master are straight from D@D.
Rust Monsters,purple worms,shriekers,pretty much everything.
The D&D Purple Worm is a lot bigger than the Dungeon Master equivalent though.I doubt D&D worms would have been able to travel around a dungeon corridor side by side. :)
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Re: So, tell us about yourself...

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Kenshiro wrote:Hello again everyone, many of you may not remember me buy I had an account here in the past. It was made mid-2006 but since I cannot recall the old username and it let me use my old email to make this one, here I am!

Alright, so I'm 18 years old. I'll be 19 in September. My hobbies and interests include gaming, music, level design, limited programming because I'm a noob, and anime. Occasionally a movie will pop up that I'll want to go see but I don't watch much TV these days. As for level design, I'd love to say I'm great at it but I'm not. I think I'm okay. I can come up with clever puzzles and situations but nothing amazing. I've had nothing but good experiences with the RTC editor in the past, however.

My first exposure to Dungeon Master was when I was around 7 years old, on the SNES. I then played my dad's copy of DM2 on the PC, but still to this day I have never beaten a Dungeon Master game. I love them to death, though. I just get distracted and restart or play something else, though right now I'm determined to finish the first game.

I'm glad to see alot of familiar names still hovering about, and it's nice to see that Ameena is still here:P She may not remember but she drew up my bandages for my dungeon a couple years back :)

I'm bad at writing these, this wasn't too long, a picture may come in the future but not right now because I have no good ones of the current, short-haired me.

Back to the dungeon I go!
There's no way it's been almost three years since I posted this :cry: Where are my years going?

Nevertheless, I'm back again. Or rather, I'm still here, I just lurk alot and NEVER remember to log in. Since that posting I've gone through and beaten all the Dungeon Masters as well as EotB 1 & 2 (had never beaten 2 before, finished the last boss with my main fighters out of commission, my precious dwarf turned to stone and my other guy dead. finished the fight off meleeing with my mage and priest hahaha)

I visit at least once a week and constantly checked the Grimrock thread. Already bought two copies :D

Still miss my old account, whatever the heck it was.
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