Does anyone knows (questions about modding) ?

[FfuzzyLogik]

Hello ! Thanks for your answers !

So basically as "effect" Confuse, War Cry, Calm, Brandish & Blow Horn does the exact same right : if they succeed, they make ennemy "fear" = flee the party members. I thought "calm" just made them "not offensive", not flee the party. But at the end, its quite the same as they will no longer serach to go find the group to kill them. I'd say I haven't used these that much but when you're cornered, its pretty effective !

You know which one is the "more effective" ? I mean for the same level/rank, which one have the greater chance of fearing and the less chance ? And is the "stronger" the one who have the higher duration ?

Nice to know for action n°3 and window. I can use the spots to make new item types so.
I used n°14 and n°18 (nothing to do with any war) because they were not affected to any weapon in game. Its very nice to be able to add new "item types". Thanks !

I'm desperately trying to add "more useful spells" to cast as "invisibility", "footprints" & "See through walls" have veeeeeeerry niche use...

I added "Make Ful bomb" in the spell list (replacing the light "bis"). The program intended to le you make other potions, just had to point witch one with ADGE and voila ! I just struggle to make a monster gives "flasks" to get party have "enough flasks" to be able to make some of them... You already could make Ven potions with caution because of that. But I fear ADGE have problems to replace items loot (probably a category problem ?)

So I hoped it could be a way to do the same for "antimagic aura". As an action let you "cast the spell", it could be a way to "make a spell" action do the same than the item with a "switch" in spell table. Samely I hoped to make a weapon to be able to cast "Armour shield". If it can be done its nice, it might not be possible aswell...

Does any of the Kath, Pew or Ra bomb does anything ? And the Mon, Um, Des, Sar, Zo potions ? I tested but not all of them.
As I'm sure I can add a "replacement spell" who makes one of them, if there is a way to make one of them "work" or do something, I'd have a new priest spell.

Again² thanks for your answer dear Encyclopedist !

[ChristopheF]

Confuse, War Cry, Calm, Brandish & Blow Horn have no associated duration. They immediately either succeed or fail to make the creature flee. Then the creature behavior code decides whether creatures continue to flee or not (for example if you keep attacking a fleeing creature, it might decide to fight back again).
Here is a ReDMCSB source code snippet with the values for each action.
The creature is tested against the fright amount of each action + the champion's level in skill #14 Influence.
Note that the experience amounts below are added to skill #14 Influence, in addition to the experience gain associated with each action and listed on http://dmweb.free.fr/community/document ... nd-combos/

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                case C008_ACTION_WAR_CRY:
                        L1229_ui_FrightAmount = 3;
                        L1231_ui_Experience = 12; /* War Cry gives experience in priest skill C14_SKILL_INFLUENCE below. The War Cry action also has an experience gain of 7 defined in G0497_auc_Graphic560_ActionExperienceGain in the same skill (versions 1.1 and below) or in the fighter skill C07_SKILL_PARRY (versions 1.2 and above). In versions 1.2 and above, this is the only action that gives experience in two skills */
                        break;
                case C037_ACTION_CALM:
                        L1229_ui_FrightAmount = 7;
                        L1231_ui_Experience = 35;
                        break;
                case C041_ACTION_BRANDISH:
                        L1229_ui_FrightAmount = 6;
                        L1231_ui_Experience = 30;
                        break;
                case C004_ACTION_BLOW_HORN:
                        L1229_ui_FrightAmount = 6;
                        L1231_ui_Experience = 20;
                        break;
                case C022_ACTION_CONFUSE:
                        L1229_ui_FrightAmount = 12;
                        L1231_ui_Experience = 45;
        L1229_ui_FrightAmount += F0303_CHAMPION_GetSkillLevel(P0769_i_ChampionIndex, C14_SKILL_INFLUENCE);

Kath, Pew or Ra bomb and Mon, Um, Des, Sar, Zo potions do absolutely nothing.

[FfuzzyLogik]

So in case of sucess, they do all the same or the "Fright amount" changes how far a creature will flee ?
If so in a way its a kind of duration if they flee more far.
If not, is the value a kind of "power" for "comparison" to check if it suceeds ? Compared with creature "bravery" or modulo a "randomizer" to get a "chance" of success or failure ?

In this second case, Confuse is stronger (12) than Calm (7) than Blow horn & Brandish (6) than War cry (3). I'm surprised because Brandish is a Firestaff effect and Confuse a Staff of Claws' one. But It uses charges for the second and not Firestaff right ?

Well thanks again²² !

[ChristopheF]

Second case: the fright amount is tested against the creature's bravery (= fear resistance) in the following way:

If creature fear resistance > (random value between 0 and fright amount) or if creature fear resistance = 15 (= immune) then the experience is halved (the experience added immediately, before the action experience gain which remains unaffected) and the creature is not frightened.
Otherwise, the creature starts fleeing from the party for a delay of ((16 - creature fear resistance) * 4) / creature movement ticks (a value defining the speed of the creature)

[FfuzzyLogik]

Sweet to know !
I heared about ppl who made Lord Chaos' fear. But according to your last sentence, only the Confuse ability should be able to work as his bravery is 10. So randomize anything between 0-7 cannot work. Confuse can work for 10-11-12 so 3/13 of times.

But I'm quite surprised ; the only creature with 3 is Rusters (and 0 for Gigglers)... Ant mens have 4 and Oitu have 6.
If you randomize 0-6 with lets say Blow horn, you have 1/6 chances to make fear an Oitu.

But you definitively can "war cry" some creatures in the game, no ? Here War cry shall be able to work only on Rusters (and Gigglers bu who may try to fear a leaver )... Is there something missing ? Maybe a bonus if you have some "skill" level in that ability ?

Have a good day !

[ChristopheF]

Read again.
The creature is tested against the fright amount of each action + the champion's level in skill #14 Influence.

[FfuzzyLogik]

Oops, sorry !
I just took only care of the last sentence "If creature fear resistance > (random value between 0 and fright amount) or if creature fear resistance = 15 (= immune) then the experience is halved (the experience added immediately, before the action experience gain which remains unaffected) and the creature is not frightened." and forgot the previous one (and the last line of fonction).
I'm too bad to find how it works AND I don't read well answers !

I summarize for any other reader. Test of fear resistance :
- If creature's "Bravery" = 15 you fail to fear him but get halved experience.
- If creature's "Bravery" < 15, compare it to "Fear" = random number between 0 and (Hero's influence skill + Fright value [depend on action - see previous posts]).
- If Bravery > "Fear" you fail to fear him but get halved experience.
- If Bravery < or = "Fear" you fear him and get all experience.

So if you've level 15 on influence skill, you'll automatically fear any creature is not immune then ! Quite strong.
Thanks for your patience !

[ChristopheF]

I have edited your summary to slightly fix the description of step 2

[slickrcbd]

I don't recall creatures fleeing from "calm".

Also I never see "Window" when equipping The Conduit in the Apple IIGS kid's dungeon. I only see "swing" as an option. Given that I've given it to adept wizards and priests (Gothmog and Elija), what are the requirements to get Window?
Note that I've only used The Conduit in the IIGS version.

Also could you give me a link to the thread that describes exactly what spellshield does and does not protect against?

[ChristopheF]

As listed on http://dmweb.free.fr/community/document ... nd-combos/
the 'Window' action of 'The Conduit' appears only if your champion is at least level 4 (Apprentice) in hidden wizard skill #18 (Earth), and if the item has at least one charge left.
But the item they placed in the kid dungeon has no charges left, that is why the action does not appear.
You must create a custom dungeon for it to appear.

[FfuzzyLogik]

Nooooooo, you corrected my imprecisions !

In DM, there is not many ways to train "earth" subclass of magic to get that level 4 and be able to use the "window" ability.
The spells you can cast for training that subskill are : Footprints and Antimaterial.
The "see through walls" spell is a "priest" class spell and "defend" subclass. Quite a strange choice IMO, they "fix" it in all other versions than atari ST one and its "earth" on those. (And guess what ? That's the one I have. But I edited that.)

So not that easy to level up this precise subskill.

ADGE.net does not recognize some versions, and the ones who have "more sounds". Is there a way to edit a version with those sounds (I mean a tool like ADGE or a version who supports dungeons with those sounds) or add the sounds on existing version who have not ?

[ChristopheF]

ADGE edits the binary items in graphics.dat. These are only used in Atari ST versions.
For other versions, the corresponding data is in the executables themselves. There is no user friendly tool to edit their data, you must use a hex editor or compile customized versions from the ReDMCSB source code.

[slickrcbd]

Nooooooo, you corrected my imprecisions !

In DM, there is not many ways to train "earth" subclass of magic to get that level 4 and be able to use the "window" ability.
The spells you can cast for training that subskill are : Footprints and Antimaterial.

What's antimaterial? Is it "harm non-material" or ZoKathRa?
So basically as "effect" Confuse, War Cry, Calm, Brandish & Blow Horn does the exact same right : if they succeed, they make ennemy "fear" = flee the party members. I thought "calm" just made them "not offensive", not flee the party. But at the end, its quite the same as they will no longer serach to go find the group to kill them. I'd say I haven't used these that much but when you're cornered, its pretty effective !

You know which one is the "more effective" ? I mean for the same level/rank, which one have the greater chance of fearing and the less chance ? And is the "stronger" the one who have the higher duration ?

I could have sworn that "Blow Horn" and "Brandish" have a higher success rate than "War Cry" at least against trollins and magenta worms. I could also have sworn that the Staff of Claws' "brandish" was more effective against Couatls than "blow horn" or "War Cry". I hadn't played with brandishing anything else to compare it to Staff of Claws when I was a kid and I didn't know how to do a proper statistical analysis when I was in 5th or 6th grade, I just looked at what seemed to succeed more than other things. So I sort of had the basics figured out despite not even being in pre-algebra when I did the percentage calculations (With AppleWorks Spreadsheet to do the math for me, but the data was recorded in a mini-spiral notebook and transcribed).