Hi to all. I discovered this site today and... well, i finished Dungeon Master several minutes ago. But, hey, i discovered there's another ending!!
I was amazed by the "ByeBye Lord Chaos" ending, 'cause i never seen it before (this is the first time after ... hmm... 15? years), but i read:
Level 0 [Hall of Champions]: You can use the spell "See Through Walls" in front of the door to see Lord Order. If you come back here with the Firestaff (not completed with the power gem), the door opens, then you are teleported in front of Lord Order where you can see an alternate game end.
Well, is it true? Someone can tell what the ending is?
Thank you very much :)
Claudio
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Re: Ending
Umm, this site doesn't give away the ending does it?, and he got it from the walk throughs..
The ending isn't anything special....lord libbie talks to you then blasts you with lots of fireballs
Just a very cool thing if you odsn't expect it
It was more rewarding not knowing about it.'s existance at all..i rememebr when i first tried it, it was just shher 'what the hell', because a) i knew the effects of oh ew ra, and b) knew the original quest fro mthe manual
I too kthe firestaff+ back to the doorway, nothing, and was thinking eh, i'm being stupid , you shuldn't be able to take the staff back...
theni was like '...what about the firestaff on it';s own
i had to replay, fight back up the levels with woosier characters , and couldn't blieve it when there was an actual ending coded
very very cool
The ending isn't anything special....lord libbie talks to you then blasts you with lots of fireballs
Just a very cool thing if you odsn't expect it
It was more rewarding not knowing about it.'s existance at all..i rememebr when i first tried it, it was just shher 'what the hell', because a) i knew the effects of oh ew ra, and b) knew the original quest fro mthe manual
I too kthe firestaff+ back to the doorway, nothing, and was thinking eh, i'm being stupid , you shuldn't be able to take the staff back...
theni was like '...what about the firestaff on it';s own
i had to replay, fight back up the levels with woosier characters , and couldn't blieve it when there was an actual ending coded
very very cool
Was unable to (permenantly) kill off ian_scho (Haynuus), Ameena, oh_brother (Westian), money (Falkor), raixel (Petal) and Lord_Bones (Aurek) in the DM D&D game Time's Champions!
CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE WHO MADE THE GAME WHAT IT WAS - GREAT!
CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE WHO MADE THE GAME WHAT IT WAS - GREAT!
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Well, neither Order nor Chaos are truely good, only balance is:
So if you return to the entrance, you'll be greeted by Lord Librasulus voice (in the message lines): "Welcome back, adventurers".
If you step before the door without the firestaff and cast a window spell, you can see him standing there.
If you return with the uncharged firestaff (without the powergem), the door opens, and LL says (something like): "To bad, that you didn't find out the true secret of the firestaff, now I have no further need for you" and kills the party with a pair of huge fireballs.
If you return there with the firestaff+ (charged with the powergem), nothing happens, because the possibility to get the charged staff out of the lower levels is probably a bug in the dungeon.
So if you return to the entrance, you'll be greeted by Lord Librasulus voice (in the message lines): "Welcome back, adventurers".
If you step before the door without the firestaff and cast a window spell, you can see him standing there.
If you return with the uncharged firestaff (without the powergem), the door opens, and LL says (something like): "To bad, that you didn't find out the true secret of the firestaff, now I have no further need for you" and kills the party with a pair of huge fireballs.
If you return there with the firestaff+ (charged with the powergem), nothing happens, because the possibility to get the charged staff out of the lower levels is probably a bug in the dungeon.
Parting is all we know from Heaven, and all we need of hell.
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Simon
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It just occured to me that in the storyline, isn't the person at the entrance really weak, whereas chaos has made an entire dungeon (so is powerful), but Order can just blow you away with huge fireballs......
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He has the firestaff now cause you took it to him, so can now enter the dungeon, and generally kick arse : )
Was unable to (permenantly) kill off ian_scho (Haynuus), Ameena, oh_brother (Westian), money (Falkor), raixel (Petal) and Lord_Bones (Aurek) in the DM D&D game Time's Champions!
CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE WHO MADE THE GAME WHAT IT WAS - GREAT!
CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE WHO MADE THE GAME WHAT IT WAS - GREAT!
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Claudio
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Cool, thank you for the replies :)
Well, i figured out by myself anyway. I used the character editor and made a brand new Firestaff :P
And i saw the ending by my eyes... unbelievable!!
I think good and evil, order and chaos, are the same. Don't you think so? If a evil thinks about good, it thinks it is evil, and a good who does think about evil thinks it is evil, so evil and good are...
ok i'll stop :P
Btw... Dungeon Master was a true cool game *__*
Thanks again
Claudio
Well, i figured out by myself anyway. I used the character editor and made a brand new Firestaff :P
And i saw the ending by my eyes... unbelievable!!
I think good and evil, order and chaos, are the same. Don't you think so? If a evil thinks about good, it thinks it is evil, and a good who does think about evil thinks it is evil, so evil and good are...
ok i'll stop :P
Btw... Dungeon Master was a true cool game *__*
Thanks again
Claudio
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That's the point: Lord Librasulus is not GOOD, He is ORDER.
As scrolls in DM say: "Neither Chaos nor Order is truly balanced", but "Balance is the ultimate good".
Like in real life: Those parts of the system, of state and society that want to rule our lives because they see themselves as representants of ORDER are far from what GOODNESS is about, for they have lost all values that are important to being good, humanity and mercy, and love.
As scrolls in DM say: "Neither Chaos nor Order is truly balanced", but "Balance is the ultimate good".
Like in real life: Those parts of the system, of state and society that want to rule our lives because they see themselves as representants of ORDER are far from what GOODNESS is about, for they have lost all values that are important to being good, humanity and mercy, and love.
Parting is all we know from Heaven, and all we need of hell.
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Yup, many fantasy series get milage from the whole law/chaos good/evil and balance thinking
Even 'good' and 'evil' aren't anything more than labels on the scale of self, leading from evil as the ultimate selfishness treating anything or one as an object, to 'good' as ultimate selflessness
Even 'good' and 'evil' aren't anything more than labels on the scale of self, leading from evil as the ultimate selfishness treating anything or one as an object, to 'good' as ultimate selflessness
Was unable to (permenantly) kill off ian_scho (Haynuus), Ameena, oh_brother (Westian), money (Falkor), raixel (Petal) and Lord_Bones (Aurek) in the DM D&D game Time's Champions!
CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE WHO MADE THE GAME WHAT IT WAS - GREAT!
CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE WHO MADE THE GAME WHAT IT WAS - GREAT!
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Yup, many fantasy series get milage from the whole law/chaos good/evil and balance thinking
Even 'good' and 'evil' aren't anything more than labels on the scale of self, leading from evil as the ultimate selfishness treating anything or one as an object, to 'good' as ultimate selflessness
Even 'good' and 'evil' aren't anything more than labels on the scale of self, leading from evil as the ultimate selfishness treating anything or one as an object, to 'good' as ultimate selflessness
Was unable to (permenantly) kill off ian_scho (Haynuus), Ameena, oh_brother (Westian), money (Falkor), raixel (Petal) and Lord_Bones (Aurek) in the DM D&D game Time's Champions!
CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE WHO MADE THE GAME WHAT IT WAS - GREAT!
CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE WHO MADE THE GAME WHAT IT WAS - GREAT!
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heheh attack of the double post fiend. :-)
I have yet to see that balance bit in most fantasy stories... it's mostly in favor of good/order.
I have yet to see that balance bit in most fantasy stories... it's mostly in favor of good/order.
Meaningless quote:
Words cannot have meaning unless they're given a meaning, words cannot benifit or harm unless they are allowed to.
Words cannot have meaning unless they're given a meaning, words cannot benifit or harm unless they are allowed to.
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Simon
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Balance? You should read virtually any book by the author Michael Moorcock - an EXCELLENT fantasy writer although his books are generally very old (20 years +) so you may have trouble locating them (Although I noticed in my local library there were reprinted versions).
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You'll find some of these things in fantasy artwork&comics.
Like the beautiful High Fantasy series "Chroniken des Schwarzen Mondes" by Froideval. It's originally a french production, I suppose it's english title would be "Chronicles of the dark moon" (don't know whether it was actually published by that name). It's definitely not in favour of lawful good :-)
Or if you prefer modern age fantasy, I recommend the series "Lucifer", a byproduct of the widely known "Sandman" series by Neil Gaiman.
There are also some movies that tell something 'bout this tobic, like "God's Army" for example, but then, it's not High Fantasy" of course.
Even in the World of AD&D with it's stereotypical alignments there can be found some nice exceptions, like "Elfshadow" by Elaine Cunningham (of course this is rather pulp, not literature, but it is entertaining pulp in my oppinion, and well worth reading, at least if you're into D&D).
Like the beautiful High Fantasy series "Chroniken des Schwarzen Mondes" by Froideval. It's originally a french production, I suppose it's english title would be "Chronicles of the dark moon" (don't know whether it was actually published by that name). It's definitely not in favour of lawful good :-)
Or if you prefer modern age fantasy, I recommend the series "Lucifer", a byproduct of the widely known "Sandman" series by Neil Gaiman.
There are also some movies that tell something 'bout this tobic, like "God's Army" for example, but then, it's not High Fantasy" of course.
Even in the World of AD&D with it's stereotypical alignments there can be found some nice exceptions, like "Elfshadow" by Elaine Cunningham (of course this is rather pulp, not literature, but it is entertaining pulp in my oppinion, and well worth reading, at least if you're into D&D).
Parting is all we know from Heaven, and all we need of hell.
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Cool i'll look into those stories.
It's kind of strange thought (maybe just to me though) that most stories that do favor the "other side" or balance thing tend to be made overseas(or in countries out side of the US) whereas here and a few other places its mostly the "good vs evil" thing. Guess it's a belief.
Ok I'll go on topic by saying that i'm gonna replay DM and go get blown up by Lord Order now. :-P
It's kind of strange thought (maybe just to me though) that most stories that do favor the "other side" or balance thing tend to be made overseas(or in countries out side of the US) whereas here and a few other places its mostly the "good vs evil" thing. Guess it's a belief.
Ok I'll go on topic by saying that i'm gonna replay DM and go get blown up by Lord Order now. :-P
Meaningless quote:
Words cannot have meaning unless they're given a meaning, words cannot benifit or harm unless they are allowed to.
Words cannot have meaning unless they're given a meaning, words cannot benifit or harm unless they are allowed to.
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Well, what do you expect from a country, where the president says things like "Either somone is with us or with the terrorists" (sorry if the re-translation is not 100%), where the free press allows to be censored, or where a brilliant game full of irony like "In Nomine Satanis" is published by the name "In Nomine" 'cause the printers refused to print the name of Satan...
Parting is all we know from Heaven, and all we need of hell.
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What does 'Librasulus' translate as? Libra as in latin for 'scales' or balance, but what does 'sulus' mean? As Order is not balanced (and neither Chaos, its opposite) then sulus must hint at some bias to balance or the name wouldn't make sense.
This is getting all very philosophical...
This is getting all very philosophical...
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Librasulus was said to mean 'restorer of order' but whether this name was based on a real ancient language i don't know
Was unable to (permenantly) kill off ian_scho (Haynuus), Ameena, oh_brother (Westian), money (Falkor), raixel (Petal) and Lord_Bones (Aurek) in the DM D&D game Time's Champions!
CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE WHO MADE THE GAME WHAT IT WAS - GREAT!
CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE WHO MADE THE GAME WHAT IT WAS - GREAT!
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"Librasulus" itself ist not a genuine latin word, but I think it derives from "liberator" (Many Warlords claimed to have liberated the people they conquered).
Parting is all we know from Heaven, and all we need of hell.