on deteste le Français ici

alain45 · Post by **alain45** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:18 pm

Salut et merci pour ton remarquable site...

J' ai 54 ans et je ne me mettrai pas à l'anglais aujourdhui(pouah!!!)

Dommage, car quelle mine d'Or,
mais comme dab, en Rosbif...
pauvre france...
merci quand même...
Alain

Post by **linflas** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:22 pm

pauvre alain surtout...

Phantomlord · Post by **Phantomlord** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:58 pm

Malheureusement l'anglais est l'unique moyen de pouvoir échanger entre joueurs du monde entier, nos idées, impressions, astuces et bien plus sur Dungeon master, CSB ainsi que tous les autres jeux qui s'en sont inspirés par la suite.

Il ya pas mal de membres de différentes nationalités sur ce forum, si chacun discutait dans sa langue natale, l'intérêt et l'essence même du forum s'en verrait dispersée.

Si un allemand ou un espagnol fait l'effort de parler en anglais pour être compris de tous, je pense que nous pouvons tous faire de même. Bien au delà d'un simple apprentissage d'une langue c'est aussi une notion de respect envers la communauté.

Moi même je ne suis pas trés fort en anglais mais j'essaye de m'améliorer et je pense que l'on préférera de loin mon mauvais anglais à mon français correct ici.

greatstone · Post by **greatstone** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:45 am

De plus, quand on y pense, l'anglais permet de jouer avec plein de versions differentes de DM et CSB (ex: SNES US). En bon malade de ce jeu, il est impensable de passer a cote.

De plus, la comprehension du moteur de jeu et la creation d'outils autour de DM/CSB passe par l'etude de tous les travaux anterieurs des autres, qui fort heureusement sont en anglais.

Rester Franco-Francais, c'est rester petit.

Dommage, mais c'est comme ca.

Mindstone · Post by **Mindstone** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:20 pm

Hhhmm, this seems fairly elitist. What about us heathens who cant speak French?

Post by **Ameena** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:26 pm

I think they're just saying how cool DM is

.
DM est trés bon! Je ne parle pas Francais grand.

Okay I'll stop there before I try to say anything else lol.

Mindstone · Post by **Mindstone** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:33 pm

Fromage Frais?

Bonnet du Douche

Bonjour

Trantor · Post by **Trantor** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:35 pm

I actually think that alain45 is sort of complaining that this site is in English, and our fellow French users tell him that English is the international language, so these forums are in English as well, snce lots of users come from different countried all over the world. I might be wrong about that, though, maybe somebody else can clarify?

Froud · Post by **Froud** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:46 pm

My French is also a little rusty so I ran the original message through a translator (InterTran) This has infact confused the issue some what ! However here is the translation as given.

"Greeting and thank you for your noteworthy setting. I have 54 years and I ne me shall put not the angle aujourdhuipouah (!!! ) What a pity car what fund d'Or , but as dab , at Roast beef. flimsy France. thank you when Mrs"

Lol, Thank YOU when Mrs.

Lets hope InterTran is never used in International peace talks.

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:45 am

Why the hell did this post even get ressurected in the first place??! We have french, polish and german speakers at least and hopefully they can be allowed to converse if they want without people complaining we can't eavesdrop!

Phantomlord · Post by **Phantomlord** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:18 am

Trantor wrote:I actually think that alain45 is sort of complaining that this site is in English, and our fellow French users tell him that English is the international language, so these forums are in English as well, snce lots of users come from different countried all over the world. I might be wrong about that, though, maybe somebody else can clarify?

I think that I'm able to clarify and certify that you have perfectly understand the message. In my side, It is the first and the last post that I write in french in this forum.

I think Alain45 will no come again, his message is not very attractive, you can forget it without any regrets !!

Trantor · Post by **Trantor** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:03 am

Merci beaucoup for the clarification Phantomlord! At least this shows me that my French isn't as bad as I had thought.

Post by **Gambit37** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 3:47 am

Timely. I recently spoke to Cowsman about fractured conversations in multiple languages.

This is an *international* forum, and whether you like it or not, the most widely understood international language is English. If you can read and write it reasonably well, it's much fairer on the rest of the community that you should try and do so.

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:07 am

Bollocks! I agree complaining about the fact this site is in english is stupid since it is an international forum, but its equally stupid to copmplain about people posting in a language they feel comfortable communicating a problem/idea in and understanding! If the roles were reversed, I was in a foreign chat board, and found someone speakign enlgish, I would be happy to be able to say hi in my own language and would certainly get my back up if anyone whined at me to not do it, especially if it did not pertain to anythign to do with the forum!

I would not defend the same in flashchat, starting a conversation in another language in there would be bad manners, but then that's what the provate chat window is brilliantly for.

Post by **Gambit37** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:52 pm

I'm not against people talking their own language per se -- that's fine. But if it's a mixed conversation that contains English and relates to the subject of the board, it's unfair on other members not to continue in English if the conversation was started that way.

It's weird that you'd defend it in one instance and not another. I don't think it makes any difference what the 'location' is.

Post by **Ameena** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:57 pm

Well, sending a messgae in the chat is different from doing it in the forum...since I would say the majority of us are, if not English-speaking (ie English, American, Scottish, etc), at least good enough with English for it not to make a difference (eg I wouldn't know Trantor was German if he hadn't said so). If you're posting in a forum, then everyone can see it and if it's a message for someone who doesn't speak that language then someone can translate it or whatever. But if you're in the chat room and start speaking, say, French, but there's no French-speaking people present to understand it, then umm...well, there is a problem hehe.
Well I dunno what I'm trying to say here (if anything) but errm...yeah.

*runs*

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:54 pm

The difference with chat is the speed and frequency - you are basically scrollign the screen for everyone else in chat, which is bad if there is alot of talking going on. I assume it's always good manners to start a provate conversation if you have somethign to say to only one person, rather than talk over people if it is not soemthign they can look at and comment on. True, less time and inclincation to translate also if it's anything interesting - i would also say that

In the forum, speaking another language I would treat like anythign else - do it in the middle of someone else's thread too much, and you are spammign with OT posts and it should probably get split, but is otherwise is fine. I mean, it's an international board yet we UK people seem to go on about locations or british only thigns occasionally - I would see that as about the same. Ok for a few posts, but is OT and might be annoying for anyone else is it comes in the middle of another topic. If you are commenting on the topic, then hopefully someone else biligual would explain the comment (more for the sake of the commenter too!) rather than simply conduct a conversation in the middle.

Uninvited · Post by **Uninvited** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:25 pm

LOL Let's wrap ! Alain was unfair nor sarcastic in his comments because he is native french and he can't read english.

if someone want to send any important message in french german japanese or polish it is not a problem.Good wizards with special skills are floating there

Peace Paix Pace

Post by **linflas** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:00 pm

alain n'a qu'a apprendre un peu l'anglais, sinon il a rien a faire sur le net...

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:05 pm

GAH! This was wrapped a frickin' month ago! *bang head on a keyboard*

zoom · Post by **zoom** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:09 pm

Il nous faut d´apprendre chinois, car dans le future, on va parler de chinois, pas du anglais! Nos élèves vas prendre mandarin à l´école, je pense.
(uh uh. my french ..)

In the distant future, all will speak and communicate in chinese (mandarin dialect?).
This is a bold statement but better get your chinese language training book ready for the next 30 years...

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:15 pm

Thanks to Firefly I can swear and stuff in chinese (I think it was mandarin not cantanese)

zoom · Post by **zoom** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:31 pm

Yeah, I once heard a sentence from someone who learnt chinese at that time, and he told me what he just had said had really meant something offending .
didn´t sound offending though. He laughed and I laughed.
really funny.
Normally it is not good when you cannot read or write or talk, but
I thought about how wonderful it would be when all the advertising cannot bother you, and all the signs that you have to face everyday. magazines tell you this and tv is even worse(I do not watch it anymore).
Just for a day total relaxation without understanding anything.

Froud · Post by **Froud** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:35 pm

Yeah but what if all the riddle clues in Conflux were written in Chinese ! It would actually make it rather tricky.

zoom · Post by **zoom** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:37 pm

In 30 years, I think you will have learnt so much chinese to understand what the riddle clues mean, or you will have played so much conflux and conflux add-ons that you won´t need any clues anymore!!
then again, who knows what will happen..

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:04 pm

I think mice will rule the planet and be our overlord. That's why I horde as much cheese as I can in Conflux *twitch*