concept or ideas

Post by **cowsmanaut** » Sat May 20, 2006 3:08 am

I posed an idea within the chat room recently about the possibility of having people submit ideas for me to draw something and then people could pick the idea the most liked and I would simply draw it. However, I was hoping for some of them to contain actual images. So I could kind of see what there was there.

It was pointed out to me that to *some* it may seem egotistical to have someone draw me an image for the sole purpose of redrawing it.

In my own experience as a teacher however, I do this often to teach students about design. By simply either giving feedback or sometimes outright redrawing their creation. Most of the time they apreciate it and so I never thought of any negative aspects. In addition there is two sub forae at GFX artists devoted to paintovers and redraws respectively.

So, my question is.. would anyone here want to submit a monster, or weapon, or over all image design for me to redraw? Based on the above criterea? That is, to submit your idea, and then the forum group decides on one for me to draw and then I do.

For me it's practice... a challenge. You, the mighty director.. me the lowly man servent drawing feverishly your drawing.

what say you? ya.. or nay?

Post by **Lunever** » Sat May 20, 2006 3:44 am

So that would only be aimed at people who are enough into visual art enough to be able to create a rough pre-draw, but not at people who might have an idea, but utterly lack the skill to lend that idea a form, right?

Post by **cowsmanaut** » Sat May 20, 2006 4:04 am

anyone can draw, it's just a matter to what degree. If you can give along with the image a good outline.. I can fill in the blanks in the drawing. You know what they say, an image is worth 1000 words. so, other posibilities is an image simply with the pose and some of the elements.. perhaps just a photo of you posed wearing a coathanger on your head and saying they are supposed to be horns..

whatver creative way you can use to give me a good idea of what you are looking for

Post by **Lunever** » Sat May 20, 2006 4:35 am

Right, there is an image I've been carrying about for years in my imagination I would die for having properly painted, so I probably should try to make a concept sketch, it's just I just don't have any drawing capaility, so even trying might be rather embarassing. But since this idea is supposed to be drawn in a style very close to a certain Ledroit drawing I might start by scanning that in and describe my idea in connection with that drawing.

Post by **cowsmanaut** » Sat May 20, 2006 9:35 am

that would be fine

Post by **cowsmanaut** » Thu May 25, 2006 6:45 am

so, a whole 1 person.. ok. well if someone has a different suggestion

Daecon · Post by **Daecon** » Thu May 25, 2006 7:07 am

What about Dungeon Master portraits based on the Jobs of Final Fantasy, such as White Mage, Black Mage, etc...

The only reason I ask is because I have no talent to do that kind of thing myself...

Post by **cowsmanaut** » Thu May 25, 2006 9:33 am

strange request.. any others?

Daecon · Post by **Daecon** » Thu May 25, 2006 9:53 am

Well there was a discussion thread about being able to swap character mid-way through a game, and it got me thinking about having secret "unlockable" characters.

An Archmaster Priest with a Create Mon Vi Potion or Cure All action as an empty hand ability, would be cool to have with a generic Final Fantasy White Mage portrait, and so on...

zoom · Post by **zoom** » Thu May 25, 2006 11:48 am

I do not really have a request simply because I do not really know what.
I find the idea not bad, and so maybe a collaborative artwork could be done? Like in comics- my former art teacher said to me once that comics in general aren't made by one single person only.
Just like cartoons , there is very likely one guy(or gal) for painting out /colouring, the other for concepts and so on and so forth.(who am I telling this?? : ) I thought I had to do all by myself, but that is not very yielding and some can do things better or like better than others...(which is the same, really. This brings me at last to the topic of people who *cannot draw*. Everyone can draw- the ones that say they can't just did not get nice words or a sort of confirmation for their work! (you need confirmation/acknowledgements to know you did sth. well and redo it) So the people stop drawing or painting because other things they do are more satisfying for them.
But I digress...
Cows, should there be a vote or a collection of ideas,
or do you serve all in turns?? What would be your idea?
-can you sculp that out a bit more, please..(like in sculpture)

ps:
Paintovers I did not comprehend first! It was like pain-ok..
but "tovers"? what does he mean?? a spelling error maybe? pain-towers???But then I realised!

ian_scho · Post by **ian_scho** » Thu May 25, 2006 4:23 pm

I have an idea, then.

Someone releases a new dungeon, with a custom monster in it, and THEN they should ask if it could be redrawn. That way:

Both the original author and the artist would have a good idea as to what context it is to be used in.

It would definately get used!

I'd love to have the ability to draw.... Draw well I mean.

Post by **cowsmanaut** » Thu May 25, 2006 6:11 pm

the idea would be to find a challenge for me and a majority to agree to it. To give some new direction to something or refine, or simply try to bring to life.

so, I'm looking for ideas and then a response from all of you what others think is the more interesting idea. That way it's not just me picking one.

Post by **Sophia** » Thu May 25, 2006 6:14 pm

cowsmanaut wrote:the idea would be to find a challenge for me and a majority to agree to it ... That way it's not just me picking one.

I think you should just pick one.

The whole "majority" thing never works with creative pursuits...

Post by **cowsmanaut** » Thu May 25, 2006 6:34 pm

but then isn't that just me saying "Ok well that's more interesting to me so yeah everyone else go away?" :S or "This one looks like it's the easiest so..."

I think a majority vote is most fair. Art is for the public to enjoy.. so let the public decide.. and then they can decide too if my efforts were crrrraaaap too.

moo

ian_scho · Post by **ian_scho** » Thu May 25, 2006 6:50 pm

Can you make a sword weep? The center piece would be an eye, I suppose. Make it cry for the pain it is dealing.

Another idea is to draw a sword in three separate pieces, bland and lifeless. But put together you could imbue it with life. Not just with glowing runes and stuff, but maybe give it a halo or give the metal a texture to that of skin.

Post by **Sophia** » Thu May 25, 2006 6:52 pm

Eh, that's exactly my point. I think art is too much of a personal thing to be governed by a majority. "Fair" doesn't really have a place in it.

For example, a couple of people have put forth ideas like, "I'd like to see..." and that's fine, but those aren't things that I care about or want to see. I have my own things I'd like to see (various DM heroes, or other hero ideas I've come up with, blah blah), but they're probably not things anyone else would care about. So, it's like, we all have our little things that we want to see, and I don't really feel like campaigning for my vision or trying to impose it on anyone else or whatever, so the whole voting thing seems kind of blah.

Do you know what I mean?

zoom · Post by **zoom** » Thu May 25, 2006 10:12 pm

Cows, how much labour do you want to initially put in this ?

I mean , if you make scetches (just rough ones ) of the propositions so far, the "proposition makers/idea having guys" could tell you whether they like it or want sth. changed.

Then you /we/ they ? can decide on a more detailed version- where to best put the tree (more in the foreground or on the right side in the background or make it a butterfly instead;))

then there are all of a sudden 2 versions and let us vote again... some will get cancelled and one stays.

last comes the final. 'stress free'

Or we start a painting description-christmas-storythread-like . Based on the "general mood" you make the picture..
*shrug*

@sophia:
How do you know someone here would not like seeing various DM heroes? Cows already , years ago , did some of them, and I next to others here , have drawn them, too. I still care about seeing various DM heroes!! They are a "bit" overdone, but nevertheless cool! Just out of interest: which one would you like to see painted? What ideas do you fancy-hope this is not too much to ask?!
*cough* Somehow-what you write seems logical though..

@ian_scho
(scho is dialect and means in bavarian inherently true, already, of course or yes O_o)
the idea of custom monsters, "dmstyle" graphic wise(16 colours) would be cool, but maybe not the thing cows is looking for.

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Thu May 25, 2006 11:03 pm

I did a story for hawk the fearless, so if you like i already 'painted' him - cows, can you do a visial rep if that got your interest? Him as now, or him versus the bullies in the past...

Post by **cowsmanaut** » Thu May 25, 2006 11:43 pm

you know, I think I would agree, I never finished the hero's and I've been thinking about redoing them all. I kept them all in the dungeon in the orriginal paintings.. and besides that I sucked horribly at that time so I'd like to redo them for that reason. However, I wanted to show them in their orriginal environment.. to give more variation.

so.. I'd be up for that as a possible idea. and looks like you have 4 votes on that already..so it just goes to show that my vote system can work after all

Post by **Sophia** » Fri May 26, 2006 12:07 am

Eh, not necessarily. I just threw out a very, very vague idea. "DM heroes." It's not a stretch of the imagination that I would find support for that here.

I have no interest in seeing Hawk. Beo does. So how does that count as a "vote"? It doesn't.

I could talk about what I wanted to see in more detail (Chani for example), and how I envision her, but then other people may see her in a different way, and offer their suggestions-- some of which I may not like or you may not like or whatever else-- and the whole thing ends up being a "design by committee," and nobody's happy, because everyone's vision has been corrupted somewhat.

Post by **cowsmanaut** » Fri May 26, 2006 12:09 am

well, I've done her already, and she turned out ok.. she even made it into a book.

I'd be willing to redraw her though.

tell me more..

Post by **Sophia** » Fri May 26, 2006 12:19 am

See, this is what I meant about visions not matching. I can say "I'd like to see Chani" and you're like "I already drew her," but that person in the picture doesn't match at all how I envision her.

That picture looks mournful, passive. She looks like the type who might start with priest levels, not fighter and wizard levels. She looks like she'd be in the back row making potions.

I envison her with a gleam in her steely blue eyes, vorpal blade in hand (what better convergence of the arts of the fighter and the wizard?), deftly manuvering it against an oncoming horde of rives or perhaps a surging black flame... seemingly backed against the wall, but the sparklings of a Des Ew forming in her other hand, behind her back, because to me, a character like Chani always has a way out...

I hope that makes sense!

Neat about the book, though.

Daecon · Post by **Daecon** » Fri May 26, 2006 1:04 am

ian_scho wrote:Can you make a sword weep? The center piece would be an eye, I suppose. Make it cry for the pain it is dealing.

That almost reminds me of She-Ra's sword from the 80's cartoon series.

It was identical to He-Man's sword except it had a jewel/mirror in the centre.

Or Lion-O's sword of Thundera from the Thundercats cartoon series.

beowuuf · Post by **beowuuf** » Fri May 26, 2006 1:12 am

Lol, going for the evolved summer look? :D

Post by **cowsmanaut** » Fri May 26, 2006 2:17 am

In her defence, she was supposed to be waiting for a fallen companion to revive from that altar of VI. However, certainly she as any other can be either in a passive or active start. The active ones are often more interesting.

I'll see what I can come up with..

Suule · Post by **Suule** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:05 pm

I'll submit something in the end of the week.

Chish · Post by **Chish** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:20 am

Oh, here's a toughie:
I recently pondered about the structure of the universe, and after doing (almost) nothing but thinking for an entire three hours or so, I was able to create an (approxamite, obviously) three demensional representation of the first five dimensions of our universe.
The main reason I ask you to draw this is really to see if my written description is good enough for you to draw a picture which I feel complys with my views. Five dimensions is a rather complex idea, as you can probably imagine. If you refuse to draw this out of an utter lack of an utter lack of sanity (meaning you're too sane to understand me), I understand.

You're drawing a two demensional representation of a three demensional representation of the first five demensions of our "Universe."

1. The entire "Universe" is contained in a spherical wire frame.
2. In the very center, there is a Point.
3. The "Universe" (a line is fine, but a web is preffered) moves from this point in a three demensional logarithmic curve towards one edge of the spherical wire frame.
4. As the "Universe" approaches the wire frame, it's curve begins to curve onto itself. It goes backwards, towards the center, but along the edge of the wire frame.
5. The "Universe" continues along next to the wire frame, then bends back on itself again, creating another logistic curve in mirror image to the one on the other side of the point.
6. Thus, both the "beginning" and the "end" of the "Universe" touch the point at the center of the sphere.

I shall write an explanation to this representation and post it online. I shall also attempt to draw a picture of this. When this is done, I shall post them online and then edit this post so there's a link to wherever I post the stuff.

EDIT: Here's my rendition, which is quite poor. You should be able to do better. Especially if you read my long explanation, which is not expected. Heck, I'll be honored if you even read all of this post!

http://chishx.googlepages.com/universe

Post by **cowsmanaut** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:06 am

http://www.charite.de/ch/neuro/designs/ ... n-int2.gif

Chish · Post by **Chish** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:44 pm

That earns a very large :) Thanks!

Post by **Ameena** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:57 pm

So you're saying the Universe looks like a top-down view of a brain?