Worst 'single hero' pick in a game of DM

[MasterWuuf]

I was surprised at how easy it was to get through DM with one hero.
Which one would make it the most challenging?

[linflas]

I would say reincarnated Tiggy in RTC DM with restrict runes.

[beowuuf]

Agreed.

[Trantor]

Another vote for Tiggy. This reminds me that I wanted to send a reincarnated Tiggy without training straight into CSB... In RTC of course, where the experience gain is much slower.

[Gambit37]

I would say reincarnated Tiggy in RTC DM with restrict runes.

Wow, yes, that would be quite a challenge! I might try it someday

[Duckman]

I vote for Halk the barbarian. Just brute strenght without magical skills at all! In single-champion games if you try to solve problems with just brute strenght you will never do it as brute force tactic requires numbers, and actually even 4 champions can't make it by just smashing and hacking until trough, so how could one hulking giant do it without anyone behind to give some magic support?

Yes it is easier than you would imagine with 1 champion. In RTC in fact about as easy as 4, and in original only somewhat harder.

[beowuuf]

Nah, Stamm or Halk are laughably simple. There is a way to generate magic in them, but until then melee attacks (especially from strong fighters) are powerful and continuous, whereas magic requires so much sleeping, running, attack, run away.

[Trantor]

I agree with Beo, Halk is certainly one of the easier characters to do a solo-run. The only time you absolutely need magic is at the very end with a ZO KATH RA spell, and by that time, even Halk will surely have a few Priest and Wizard levels. It's no coincidence that the speed-run record of PaulH was done with Stamm; melee is just much more powerful than magic.

[beowuuf]

Actually, magic is more powerful than melee, just it amazingly does not drain half the resources of magic.

[sucinum]

You can still warcry the 1st screamer a few minutes - that will gain you enough SP to cast some light here and there. You will be a proper spellcaster on the run more or less.

Tiggy and Gando should be the worst, yes - low HP, Stamina and also Vitality.

[MasterWuuf]

I would have picked Tiggy, as well.
Linflas: Restricted runes?
Would you mind explaining what you mean?

Oh, and Halk would surely be one of the easier heroes to do a 'stand alone' game.
(Especially now that I know how to advance mana points for a character)

[Ameena]

Restricted runes means playing the RTC version of RTC (that is, DM-RTC as opposed to DM-Original), where you get the spellbook - then you can't use a rune until you've found a scroll which contains it and clicked it on the book. So, no Fireball till level 7 :O.

[PaulH]

For quick runs, Stamm and Hawk are probably the best. Followed by Leif.

The best character, if you add up all their main secondary stats, is I think Sonja, (I don't care much for some of the stats ie AM and AF) Depends how you weight them though.

I would agree that Tiggy is probably the worst.

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very true the low stamina makes the high mana almost worthless, add low health and strength.. not pleasant.
while having the worst start, given expeditious and thorough training( multiple master levels everywhere), Tiggy will be among the best champions in end game phases- if you compare stats/boosted stats. Have not tried it, however

[Duckman]

Why tiggy? Hp and stamina are easy to train, thus they will not be problem when you get into first hard fight.

I might have been wrong with the halk being the hardest one but im sure he is NOT one of the easiest, for simple reason: Leif and Zed for example are easily powerful enough fighters to survive first two levels AND they also are capable for quick learning in spellcasting, thus making them easier except in speed runs.

[beowuuf]

Actually, strength health and stamina are harder to get - so you need to spend some painful time with low stamine and strength and health trying to get more. I think I got to to level three one evening trying out Tiggy, and she still hadn't improved too much. Very doable, just annoying due to the limitations.

I've always defended Zed to people who don't like him, but my recollection is always that I had to prop him up when in combat when compared to the unbeatable stamm and halk

Still, might be interestying to see how easy Leif or Zed makes the game.

[sucinum]

I once made a table where i weighted all attributes and stuff differently. I neither know exact results nor even the exact formula to weight stuff, but i the importance of stuff was like this: Wisdom, Vitality, Strenght > Dexterity, HP/2 > Mana > Antimagic/Fire. Among the best chars were: Azizi, Hawk, Wu Tse, Wuuf and Chani, the worst rated where Nabi, Gando, Tiggy and Gothmog (all afair).

I still neglected Azizi and Hawk in most games, I somehow prefered spellcasters. Think i should solo with one of them for the fun of it.

[beowuuf]

Wuuf's stats are either good in those combined ways, or he has some hidden bonus, because he does you proud and gains as both a priest and wizard much better than Tiggy or Boris

[Trantor]

I did it - I started a CSB game in RTC with reincarnated Tiggy. The starting room and the Supplies for the Quick were quite difficult; those Gazers are EVIL. I then chose KU as the first path, came out in level 6, fought myself through the Antmen and the Oitus, and will now face Mongor. Tiggy already has over 200 HP; I suppose the worst is over.

EDIT: My god, Mongor was a piece of cake! I guess Poison really is overpowered in RTC...

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years ago, I thought Hawk to be one of the worst champions. He has way too much 30ties in his stats, albeit the highest Stamina.
when reincarnating he gets the most boni(the 30ties stats get increased by some points always)
Items do make a difference also. And normally also constellation: I used to play with 4 chars, not 1.

I never really played Azissi(Well the shield is useless), Gando(poison darts do not make it for me and no connection to that gnome? character somehow), Leyla(rope´s too heavy and kinda useless, same like alex), Alex(there are better thieves,wait: this game is about ninjas not thieves) , Boris(rabbit foot not convincing), Zed(average anyone?), Iaido(whimpy stats, sword not that good), Halk(Sonja is better), Sophia(somehow..no. Still moonstone is nice and wisdom, too), Syra(hmm. Food is overabundant at the beginning level, maybe Lord Chaos punishes her by feeding her too much), Wu Tse(man?woman? also strange stats), Mophus(-.-)
The ones I did choose regularly: Wuuf, Hissssa,
at some point:( Sonja, Gothmog, Nabi, Elija)Leif , Daroou Linflas once as well

Stamm kind of spoiled the feeling at level 4 where you get an axe. Also shitty that you get a sword in a secret room near the stairs just a few seconds before that, so the sword is rather badly placed imo.

I don´t know. wuuf is probably the best champion, at least one of the best spell-casters.
for solo runs it is obviously Stamm. for cheaters it would be Halk Gonzo Barbarian

but here we should talk about the worst pick.. maybe Iaido? ridiculous health for a front line fighter..48!

Gambit, do you still have your champion stat selector online ? It would be cool to sort the champions by various stats, like you can do with your program(Str+Health for example)

[Trantor]

Zoom, I'm glad I'm not the only one who accidentally calls Chani Sophia.

Oh, and Boris and Chani are very good characters because they have the highest WIsdom score, which I value the second-most important stat after Strength. Wuuf's stats are actually surprisingly average; his biggest advantages are the flask (of which you can find a million in level 2) and the high mana. I somehow still like him a lot...

[MasterWuuf]

I did it - I started a CSB game in RTC with reincarnated Tiggy. The starting room and the Supplies for the Quick were quite difficult; those Gazers are EVIL. I then chose KU as the first path, came out in level 6, fought myself through the Antmen and the Oitus, and will now face Mongor. Tiggy already has over 200 HP; I suppose the worst is over.

EDIT: My god, Mongor was a piece of cake! I guess Poison really is overpowered in RTC...

OUCH! To my sorrow and shame, I've never even completed CSB.
I'm sure I came close but either work or some other such inconvenience got in the way WAY BACK WHEN.

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doh! how embarassing! of course I meant chani.
Since we have beo around, maybe therefore that wuuf is actually female seems rather strange, no?
anyways, a high wisdom score is not that great anymore since there are those boost spells . It certainly helps in normal play a lot. High mana is definitely very cool.
high strength is comparatively annoying to boost with potions over time.
so: a character with low mana and low strength would be a bad pick. Can we say that?
(then again, paul stevens did prove (in a way) that there is no worst champion)

[Duckman]

Mongor is VERY easy in rtc, you can kill it with any character assuming you see it before it sees you.

Tiggy is easy in original, not sure about RTC. But in original I spent a bit time training her ninja on first level and I got her hp over 100 before I went down and I still had plenty of food left.

Beowuuf i still don't think Halk nor stamm are the easiest. IF they are better than Leif or zed, which I doubt, it's sure they won't match Hissssa! It is stronger AND has some starting mana. My brother did solo the dungeon easily with it.

The worst in soloing RTC dm could be Leyla the shadowseek. Low strenght and not very good spellcasting either. Her upside are the thrown projectiles which don't do too well in RTC. In original however she might even be one of the best because screamers and mummies die easily to projectiles.

[Ameena]

I'd say any dragon is easy to kill, regardless of whether or not he sees you first (it's whether you can get out of the way of the Fireball that then becomes the issue ), as long as you have a two-by-two space in which to manoeuvre. The same goes for any creature, really, even if you have to punch it to death because for some odd reason you have no weapons or something .

[linflas]

OUCH! To my sorrow and shame, I've never even completed CSB.
I'm sure I came close but either work or some other such inconvenience got in the way WAY BACK WHEN.

then, you should sstart CSB with one or 2 characters only instead of restarting DM again !

[MasterWuuf]

OUCH! To my sorrow and shame, I've never even completed CSB.
I'm sure I came close but either work or some other such inconvenience got in the way WAY BACK WHEN.

then, you should sstart CSB with one or 2 characters only instead of restarting DM again !

Ah, a bold suggestion, my friend.
I may try it with two characters.
Oops. May I, must I, SHALL I start a thread in the CSB forum about best two characters?
I look forward to your input.

[linflas]

I suggest you to pick a good mana character (Petal or Buzz, or Plague who has lots of health points) and then find one of the 2 hidden characters (i prefer Kazaï).

[Duckman]

If you want to take kazai (changed: Lor. Sorry my mistake) and plague together you have to get kazai first with someone else. Not to worry trough, you can always kill the bringer in real dungeon so it is out of way.

[Trantor]

I have had good experience with Petal. Plague and Itza are probably pretty good, too, as is Aroc. I agree you should take either Kazai or Lor as the second character; I'd probably pick Lor.
Duckman, I am not sure what you mean. It is true that you need another character before you can pick Kazai or Lor. So if you want to make Plague and Kazai your team, you have to take Plague first, then Kazai.